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we're here because we don't buy into the

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tired of the mundane passionless careers

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rule and the stranglehold on education

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entertainment by cold soulless

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frustrated yes we are tired and we

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reject the pre-approved tranquilizers

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nice cold Budweiser we have to stop

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hiding stop hiding behind the headphone

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to the cherry popper 420 username let

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the world see that the resistance is

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strong in society is changing there was

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a time to be anonymous at that time has

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passed and so the higher side chats

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would like to present conspiracies as

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the dawning of this new paradigm in

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revolution because bold fashion should

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be more than some celebrity me dress for

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Atlanta sleeping poem conspiracies

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redefines bold fashion as having the

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balls to reject socially uncomfortable

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and unpopular truths for new radiant

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chest all bugging de caen securities

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dotnet let them know that you know both

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designs for trouble times hard truths

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soft tongue

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how's it going higher side shatters

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drinking a little drink smoke a little

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smoke um Greg Carl wood and I'm back

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after my first week off in 2013 hope

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everyone's alive and well the conspiracy

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con went awesome we sold a lot of

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conspiracies drank a lot of wine met

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some awesome people got into a

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capitalism argument with Foster gamble

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but hey one of the cool people i met

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agreed to be my guest on the first show

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back to complement a few little pieces

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of audio i captured at the con con so

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here's my chat with ola phillips and

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afterwards i'll have a few extra clips

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of random conversations from the con so

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you know folks I'm sure we've all seen

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at least a couple UFO pictures or videos

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that really make us wonder just what the

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the hoaxes and photo shops and

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attention-seeking [\h__\h] that

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jeopardize the integrity of the UFO

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field with their forgeries it only takes

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a couple of the good cases to bring one

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to the inevitable conclusion that

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something's up we've been lied to and

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there's a pretty distinguishable line

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drawn between the privileged gatekeepers

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and the uninformed underclass we just

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don't know to what extent and through

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this framework it's really tough to

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mentally we've the proper proverbial

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basket into which one would place all

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these wild eggs but today we got the

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basket weaver himself who's

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self-proclaimed passion to serving as an

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archivist for the UFO and paranormal

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community he's compiled a database of

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recorded sightings now with 24 years of

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research into UFOs and the strangeness

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that surrounds them he's been doing this

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longer than I've been pissing on my own

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and the man in question is Ola Phillips

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executive producer for ground zero radio

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frequent writer for paranormal magazine

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and an all-around badass all of my man

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how you doing I'm Jonah right over you

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good time hanging out with you and Ron

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patent and our little section of the

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conspiracy con yeah paranoia we were in

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the house what did you think of

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conspiracy count was the event what you

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expected you have a good time you know

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he's always got some interesting people

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talking to the people who come cuz you

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that those two are probably my favorites

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of the ones that I got to see but I wish

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appreciate the people that came by said

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hi gave me drugs I did I would have

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audience that shows up to those type of

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events yeah you know I think there are a

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lot of young people that are interested

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general they're very expensive yeah so

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conferences but you know it's expensive

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bring it in you know it's expensive to

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fly them in and to put them up and feed

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them and so you know I understand but it

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does put it out of the reach of most

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younger people yeah it's like a catch-22

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hoping we can talk about much of which

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is in your latest paranoia article but i

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really want to start by asking a broader

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question that the conspiracy community

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you know is full of theories many of

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them are a bit contradictory I mean for

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help fake the moon landing other people

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say UFOs followed them to the moon some

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people say we've discovered ancient

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ruins on Mars others say there's modern

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facilities on Mars you know some say

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that UFO lore is all just to cover up

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for secret military craft and others say

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aliens are working with us in

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underground bases you know you can do

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this all day but as someone who sifted

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through the mountains of research that

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you have have you been able to piece

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together any type of overreaching

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narrative on the UFO alien subject you

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know when I started out I was like most

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people you know I started out as a kid I

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saw UFO I saw what would typically be

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called the Lazar sportster model and at

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that at that time you know I was

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convinced as many people are that they

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were all aliens over time I've kind of

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believe that they're actually mostly

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human in origin you know I the Dulce

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thing which is what you're referencing

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about the them being includes with the

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military and in underground bases Dulce

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famous flash points were they supposedly

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had a war underground and there was a

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lot of fighting when people died and you

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stuff anymore I think that a certain

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percentage of them potentially are alien

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percent but I think a lot of what we're

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seeing today based on me the mountains

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of research that I've done and the books

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I've read and putting the pieces

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them are human really that's yeah that's

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an interesting conclusion well let's

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talk about a couple of things in your

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paranoia piece I mean in the in the

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beginning of the article you briefly

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mention the serpa exchange story which

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the show I've heard about it before I

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almost forgot about it but um and it's

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sources of that information but if it

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were true it's a pretty juicy story can

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you walk us through apparently what the

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serpa exchanges how do you feel about

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this story will so sir po basically just

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serpo is that there was an exchange

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program with aliens and what they did is

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is we sent I think 12 people I want to

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say it was like nine men and three women

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or ten men and two women to an alien

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planet and they lived there for a number

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of years and then they came back most of

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them came back a few of them died

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natural causes or in accidents whatever

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stay but basically it's it's what

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is this this grand conspiracy monologue

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of the serpa program and at the end you

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see that the astronauts going out and

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boarding the you know the alien ship

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well they're going to but only Richard

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Dreyfuss ends up going well in the serpa

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program they all went and then they live

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there for a long time so that's that's

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basically supona nutshell me personally

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um you know sir pose one of those things

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where it goes

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when it comes back it's kind of like

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remote viewing it goes away and it comes

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back you know every few years people

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will go well it's a hoax it's a hoax

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come back you know it's it's probably

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dying out now I mean they just put out a

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book about it but it'll probably die on

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the vine in another year then wait about

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five years listen the higher chat again

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and you'll be talking about serpo um for

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my money I think it's a disinformation

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program I don't think that that we sent

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astronauts to plan it serve both I think

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it's a cover-up for for something larger

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which is solar warden that's the whole

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Gary McKinnon thing of what yeah yeah

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feel free go right into that that was

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the next place I was going to go so

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basically you know Gary McKinnon hacked

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into some some DoD Defense Department

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computers because you know computer

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systems are run by human beings and

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sometimes you know they make mistakes

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and they leave passwords unset or

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passwords are simple and you know in the

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industry that call them script kiddies

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they basically launched a massive brute

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force hacks against servers and they run

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through combinations of words and

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letters until they get a good one and

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then they can log in and mess around and

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DoD server he found some pretty juicy

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stuff about you know offworld offworld

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um you know soldiers and naval people

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that were apparently somewhere else and

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ships ships a logistic stuff from for my

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money most of what I think he found was

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those things where you know they're

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probably not as secure as they should be

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idea was that that McKenna had found

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these lists of people who were

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that are apparently flying around in

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space and then a lot of the the

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limits about the ship's you know what

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kind of stuff they were carrying and etc

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of solar warden solar warden supposedly

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a like a defense fleet that sits out in

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space and shoots down bad things

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shooting down aliens I don't think

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they're actually shooting down Nazis but

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yeah and that's later in my article but

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you know the basically I think that's

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what solar warden is is that it's it's

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basically a fleet of ships and fleet is

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relative it's probably you know 20 10 20

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of them do fly around up in space and

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they they have some sort of a battle or

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they protect us they shoot down

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asteroids whatever well is there any

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evidence for a Gary McKinnon story

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except for you know his word was he able

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to print anything out was he able to

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save anything oh yeah he saved some of

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it really yeah but also you know the

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other thing about Gary McKinnon story is

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it if he if he didn't find something

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there working awful hard to try to bury

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him that's true too you know and

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sometimes even though you may not have

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multitudes of physical data and visit

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you know physical material to back it up

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sometimes the end result of what he

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found and the end result of what they're

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trying to do to him you know is is a

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litmus test to that he made somebody

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angry yeah I mean I think the guys from

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Scotland and they've been trying to

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extradite him for like ever since and I

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think Scotland finally said they're not

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going to let that happen a few years

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back but yeah I mean why would you go

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after him if you just you just say oh

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he's just some crazy nut job making [\h__\h]

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up we don't need to mess with that but I

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mean you know it kind of validates what

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he says well they fully admit that he

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got in there what they write what deny

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is what he found well you know what he

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found is so insane that he you know

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sometimes the truth is stranger than

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fiction I mean what he found is is

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straight up

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saying yes go ahead but now you go ahead

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I'm here all the time all right well so

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you know the absence of proved to me you

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know he did print some stuff out but

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that absence of mountains of material

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that he printed out doesn't doesn't

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necessarily negate what he says he found

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and he's very consistent about it he

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doesn't you know any fears for his life

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yeah I mean I think what he found is

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legitimate to I mean it sounds

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completely credible and the response

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from the government has kind of

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validates it to me but I mean basically

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we're talking about like space platforms

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as the term I've heard them used before

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like these massive things that are like

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barges in the sky I mean is that kind of

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how you think of them um I think there's

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a variety of different objects up there

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i think is like a battle barge you know

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with guns on it as probably one of them

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you might think of them as like like

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defense installations on earth they

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would be analogous to a bunker with a

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big cannon you know but I think there's

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also more like fast attack I mean it my

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suspicion is that in space they would

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follow the same model they use on earth

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so you have you have like the bunkers

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and the coastal artillery and then you

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have cruisers and you have destroyers

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and battleships and you know you have

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aircraft carriers there wouldn't be a

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submarine right but you know the same

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kind of concept yeah what do you think's

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powering these things I mean you think

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it's just that there's up in orbit well

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they're up in orbit I think that my own

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my own take on the situation is that I

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think that the propulsion system is

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probably back engineer from German

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technology that was captured either

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modern or were classical German

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technology yeah let's get into that a

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little bit there's a lot of speculation

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that after World War two you know Nazis

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went to a base in Antarctica and maybe

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even went

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out of the you know off the planet I

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mean what do you think happened at that

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juncture at the end of World War two

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well it really revolves around the bell

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right and there are a couple researchers

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that have done a lot about the Bell the

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eager eager Wieckowski he's he was the

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originator of the story Joseph Farrow

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latched onto it was written a number of

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books about it you know there's Nick

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cook who wrote the zero-point energy

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book and they all kind of discuss it

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Henry Stevenson has done a lot of a lot

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of work on it you know and basically

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what it is there's this object called

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the bell and it looks like a bell they

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call it their glocca and my german has

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bats you have to excuse me I never

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learned your math school but it was

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built it was built at a place called

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dairy she in Poland I want to say it's

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Poland but they built it they tested it

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and then after the war it disappeared

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along with the general who controlled

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the program a guy by the name of Hans

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Kammler who died I think six or eight

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times and right before the end of the

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war Kammler head requisitioned these

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special transports I think there were

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four or six of them that are the largest

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transports the Germans had ever built

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big like six engine transports built by

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junker and they are Younker and they

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loaded them all up and they took off and

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I think if you look at that plane it

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would be pretty a pretty easy thing to

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go from where they were and pull into

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Spain to South Africa meant off into you

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know Argentina and maybe into Antarctica

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and they supposedly went to a base

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called base 211 in Queen Maud land or

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new Schwab and Len and they they had a

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base down there they worked on it some

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more got it perfected than they left

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damn and what what do you think they

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went to a space platform I think they

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probably went to Mars you that's I mean

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that's an interesting idea like I

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actually who what what was the guy's

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name Andy visagie oh he talks about jump

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rooms to Mars and uh and he has the

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project Pegasus stuff I went and saw one

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of his lectures once a night

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really a huge fan it kind of turned me

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off from the Mars thin in general but

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what what makes you think that the Nazis

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made it to Mars is there a lot of

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anecdotal evidence to support that for

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that there's their son I think the moon

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is too close I think that probably for

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the last 30 or 40 years you know we've

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been pedaling around on the moon and

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that that goes to the whole moon hoax

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you know Stanley Kubrick thing but I

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think we've been on the moon for quite

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quite a number of years in fact I

427
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remember in the 90s John Lear did a

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lecture about mining operations in the

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moon and and I think that we you know if

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if the Nazis were going to go somewhere

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the moon's cut out because it's too

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close I think Mars next best thing the

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martha's were relatively the same size

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as Earth relatively the same size of

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gravity you know I mean there's there's

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debate over what Mars's atmosphere is

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like but if you're going to go somewhere

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you know it's close enough supposedly

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these these UFOs that they built can the

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original ones could get to Mars in like

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a week now they can get to Mars in a

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couple of days so you know it's close

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enough to come back and do things it's

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also far enough away that it's not it's

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not necessarily a trivial exercise

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together damn yeah i mean that's

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interesting you think they just went

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there obviously to escape prosecution

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but you think they're trying to come

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back is that why we have a space fleet

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out there I think so I mean look there's

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a thing called the SDI program I don't

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know you know if if you're that aware of

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the SDI program but not a house in the

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eighties Ronald Reagan front of this

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plan to put the Strategic Defense

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Initiative into place and basically what

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it was was a lot of lasers and all kinds

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of crazy stuff they wanted to put in

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orbit there's a thing called project

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Thor Thor's hammer it's a like a

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platform it has tungsten rods and the

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idea is that you can target these

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tungsten rods and fire them

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their kinetic energy weapons and you can

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actually you know fire them in a

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straight line and in do you know fairly

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micro targeting of specific places and

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things and the rent you know the

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tungsten rod will survive re-entry and

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then hit hit the earth at a fairly high

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speed which will create a huge crater

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well there's also brilliant pebbles

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which is basically canisters filled with

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with marbles like steel marbles then it

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would fire and shred nuclear missiles

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then they had lasers they even had a

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thing called the know what was the

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American one the Russian one was called

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the Alma's the Motte the man observation

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or the mole wolf the man observation

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laboratory basically it was an Air Force

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Space Station with a laser on it was you

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know designed to shoot stuff down and

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then the Russians did rut with the

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Soviets on the Russians with the Soviets

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did basically the same thing right they

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kind of matched us 141 their mole was

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called the AL Maz it had a 20 20

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millimeter recoilless cannon on it and

491
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they could shoot the cannon but you know

492
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you don't put a bunch of stuff like that

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in orbit you know for a war that's never

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going to come because we knew and so did

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the Soviets at the time through through

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mutually assured destruction that we

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were never going to start a nuclear war

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I mean you could argue in this in the

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60s with the Cuban Missile Crisis we

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came pretty close but I don't think that

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the the Soviet Union or they or NATO in

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the United States were particularly

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excited to push the button right as once

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you push the button it's over the minute

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that buttons push within about 45

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minutes the entire Earth is radioactive

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there's nothing there not they left so I

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don't think that you know we're gonna

509
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fight so why would you put all this

510
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stuff in order and it doesn't make any

511
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sense that's a huge sacrifice to satisfy

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some egos yeah and I had a I had an

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engineer a aerospace engineer called me

514
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at the end of a of a Ground Zero and he

515
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he was in Washington State so he

516
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probably worked for Boeing and he was

517
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saying that he worked on a solar warden

518
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program in the 70s and the facility was

519
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guarded by federal marshals and they

520
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built a they built a constellation of

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three satellites into were parked and

522
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they had lasers on him and two were

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parked in equatorial orbit around the

524
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equator and they just kind of circle

525
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around the equator and then the third

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one was a hunter-killer that it kind of

527
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kind of was autonomous I know we move

528
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around and shoot stuff down you know you

529
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don't put that kind of stuff in orbit

530
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for a war that's never going to come I

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think very early on you know the the

532
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Soviet Union and NATO in the United

533
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States we recognized that we had an

534
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external threat in the Germans and that

535
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they wanted to come back is you know if

536
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you're going to perpetuate the Fourth

537
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:47,240
Reich on Mars or wherever they went you

538
00:22:50,650 --> 00:22:48,890
know I can't tell you concretely where

539
00:22:52,060 --> 00:22:50,660
they want i know they're not here right

540
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:52,070
but it's you know if you're going to do

541
00:22:55,090 --> 00:22:52,880
that and you're going to leave

542
00:22:56,830 --> 00:22:55,100
eventually you want to come home you

543
00:22:59,080 --> 00:22:56,840
want to come back you know you don't

544
00:23:00,880 --> 00:22:59,090
want to just set up shop out there where

545
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:00,890
you have to live in dome cities or

546
00:23:05,410 --> 00:23:03,170
underground or you know you want to come

547
00:23:09,550 --> 00:23:05,420
back and and you want to you know

548
00:23:11,620 --> 00:23:09,560
perpetuate your beliefs on the earth so

549
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:11,630
I think a lot of this stuff they use the

550
00:23:16,510 --> 00:23:14,810
Cold War is a cover there were tensions

551
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:16,520
you know the Soviet Union had a

552
00:23:20,650 --> 00:23:18,770
different perspective than we did they

553
00:23:23,140 --> 00:23:20,660
do things in a very different way they

554
00:23:25,660 --> 00:23:23,150
want it there they wanted the world to

555
00:23:27,940 --> 00:23:25,670
be a very different place than we did

556
00:23:30,250 --> 00:23:27,950
and I think those those tensions that

557
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:30,260
exist but again and again we see

558
00:23:35,290 --> 00:23:33,290
evidence that they were talking you know

559
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:35,300
Khrushchev and Kennedy some people

560
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:38,450
believe that Kennedy was actually killed

561
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:40,850
because Khrushchev and Kennedy were

562
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:43,010
having a a dialogue and this is backed

563
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:45,530
up by Khrushchev son that they were

564
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:47,930
having a private conversation about

565
00:23:52,570 --> 00:23:49,850
unifying the space programs of the

566
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:52,580
Soviet Union in America that the next

567
00:23:56,980 --> 00:23:54,290
mission to the moon beyond the Apollo

568
00:23:59,890 --> 00:23:56,990
program you know should be a joint

569
00:24:02,020 --> 00:23:59,900
mission between the Soviets and us mmm

570
00:24:03,660 --> 00:24:02,030
you know the Soviets effectively back

571
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:03,670
down other there

572
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:06,050
program conventionally right this is the

573
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:08,000
stuff that anybody can go read about

574
00:24:12,549 --> 00:24:10,850
right when they saw that we got to the

575
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:12,559
moon first you know they back down

576
00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:16,400
because typically on the surface of it

577
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,080
the Soviets were all about being the

578
00:24:23,620 --> 00:24:20,240
first to do something they got the first

579
00:24:26,110 --> 00:24:23,630
you know satellite and orbitons but Nick

580
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:26,120
they got the first man in a space Yuri

581
00:24:30,430 --> 00:24:28,250
Gagarin they got the first woman in

582
00:24:33,850 --> 00:24:30,440
space valentina tereshkova they got the

583
00:24:35,770 --> 00:24:33,860
first you know animal in space blank of

584
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:35,780
the dog I mean they they were all about

585
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:37,970
doing it first right right every time

586
00:24:41,620 --> 00:24:39,679
they weren't the first then they just

587
00:24:45,790 --> 00:24:41,630
kind of abandoned it like burn burn it

588
00:24:47,890 --> 00:24:45,800
was there's their equivalent they

589
00:24:49,930 --> 00:24:47,900
launched it once and went up it was all

590
00:24:52,030 --> 00:24:49,940
remote control there's nobody on board

591
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:52,040
they launched it on the inner ghia to

592
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:53,840
get it up in orbit they flying around I

593
00:24:57,970 --> 00:24:55,850
brought it back because they weren't

594
00:24:59,770 --> 00:24:57,980
first like why should we and all this

595
00:25:01,780 --> 00:24:59,780
money when we're not going to you know

596
00:25:04,390 --> 00:25:01,790
reap the benefits the propaganda

597
00:25:06,730 --> 00:25:04,400
benefits but in reality behind the

598
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:06,740
scenes you know again and again Kennedy

599
00:25:10,930 --> 00:25:09,170
was talking to Khrushchev and other

600
00:25:13,090 --> 00:25:10,940
people have carried on a dialogue of

601
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:13,100
having these unified space programs and

602
00:25:18,130 --> 00:25:16,250
look at today right today you know we

603
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,140
cancel the space program effectively

604
00:25:22,990 --> 00:25:20,480
yeah so we want to put somebody up in

605
00:25:26,830 --> 00:25:23,000
orbit what do we do we strap them onto a

606
00:25:28,510 --> 00:25:26,840
30 40 year old rocket the the Russians

607
00:25:30,820 --> 00:25:28,520
are still firing off they put him in a

608
00:25:33,490 --> 00:25:30,830
Soyuz capsule they've been using since

609
00:25:36,340 --> 00:25:33,500
the 60s and 70s they take him up to a

610
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:36,350
space station we mostly build but you

611
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:38,210
know they had we were sending people up

612
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:40,880
to mirror originally you know and it's

613
00:25:47,950 --> 00:25:43,520
all joint everything's join in fact our

614
00:25:51,070 --> 00:25:47,960
astronauts have to learn Russian there

615
00:25:54,130 --> 00:25:51,080
was a there was a big to-do about you

616
00:25:56,020 --> 00:25:54,140
know in about these in Star City where

617
00:25:58,780 --> 00:25:56,030
they they launched it a lot of this

618
00:26:00,820 --> 00:25:58,790
stuff from in Star City you know the

619
00:26:03,490 --> 00:26:00,830
Americans had these huge palatial

620
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:03,500
mansions and and they were you know

621
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:05,360
people were siphoning off money from it

622
00:26:09,130 --> 00:26:07,730
and these these Russians were you know

623
00:26:11,530 --> 00:26:09,140
we're siphoning money from the program

624
00:26:14,140 --> 00:26:11,540
and building their own McMansions in the

625
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:14,150
middle of nowhere at Star City so you

626
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:16,610
know it's it's all unified now

627
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:19,130
well is it that difficult to make the

628
00:26:23,049 --> 00:26:21,410
leap of there's a bunch of Nazis out

629
00:26:25,660 --> 00:26:23,059
there they're gonna [\h__\h] come and

630
00:26:27,789 --> 00:26:25,670
kill us maybe maybe we should pool our

631
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:27,799
resources to blow them out of the sky I

632
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:29,570
don't think that's that's difficult

633
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:32,000
that's that difficult of an idea to

634
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:34,730
accept no I think the only thing that is

635
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:36,530
hard for some people as anyone who

636
00:26:41,289 --> 00:26:39,049
basically people think the technology's

637
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:41,299
not there anyone whose only keyed into

638
00:26:45,490 --> 00:26:43,610
the conventional and that might be the

639
00:26:47,890 --> 00:26:45,500
hardest leap is the idea that oh yeah

640
00:26:50,860 --> 00:26:47,900
the technology is there to do that but I

641
00:26:54,820 --> 00:26:50,870
mean Kelly Johnson who was head of the

642
00:26:58,270 --> 00:26:54,830
skunk works Kelly Johnson has set said

643
00:27:00,010 --> 00:26:58,280
publicly that well he said a whole

644
00:27:02,740 --> 00:27:00,020
series of quotes right but one is that

645
00:27:05,620 --> 00:27:02,750
he he just got the contract to take e.t

646
00:27:08,590 --> 00:27:05,630
home another one was like we don't you

647
00:27:10,270 --> 00:27:08,600
know from the movie ET right we don't we

648
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:10,280
have the technology not just to call

649
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:12,650
et's home but we can take him there be

650
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:14,690
stuff like that when Kelly Johnson is

651
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:16,730
head of Lockheed skunk works the same

652
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:18,049
things like that I think that's

653
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:20,330
significant I think that's something we

654
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:22,610
need to pay attention to because he's

655
00:27:26,650 --> 00:27:24,290
kind of letting it slip and then they

656
00:27:29,740 --> 00:27:26,660
the thing is is that we're all human

657
00:27:32,169 --> 00:27:29,750
right I mean you can think of it in your

658
00:27:34,210 --> 00:27:32,179
own terms maybe you know you bought the

659
00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:34,220
world's greatest gift I mean not some

660
00:27:37,659 --> 00:27:35,929
mundane crap like you you bought

661
00:27:40,030 --> 00:27:37,669
somebody a DVD that they're really going

662
00:27:42,340 --> 00:27:40,040
to enjoy Yeah right it's like it you

663
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:42,350
know yeah I like my friend is a blade

664
00:27:47,289 --> 00:27:44,090
runner fan I bought him the blade runner

665
00:27:49,150 --> 00:27:47,299
box set that's pretty cool right if you

666
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:49,160
bought him the blade runner box set with

667
00:27:55,450 --> 00:27:52,130
us you know with with the outfit the

668
00:27:57,789 --> 00:27:55,460
Decker war you know and it's signed by

669
00:27:59,500 --> 00:27:57,799
Ridley Scott you know and it's like the

670
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:59,510
in and then he gets have a sit-down

671
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:02,000
lunch with Harrison for to talk Blade

672
00:28:06,460 --> 00:28:03,770
Runner because Harrison Ford doesn't

673
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:06,470
talk blade runner you know and I mean

674
00:28:10,750 --> 00:28:08,330
how do you keep that secret every time I

675
00:28:12,340 --> 00:28:10,760
see friend he'd be like oh my god I got

676
00:28:15,580 --> 00:28:12,350
you the greatest gift ever and i got it

677
00:28:18,580 --> 00:28:15,590
for 599 on amazon you know you have

678
00:28:20,830 --> 00:28:18,590
trouble keeping that secret we're all

679
00:28:23,230 --> 00:28:20,840
human beings and if you're not

680
00:28:25,690 --> 00:28:23,240
conditioned to keep the secret keeping

681
00:28:27,940 --> 00:28:25,700
the secret is hard so even people like

682
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:27,950
kelly johnson let it out a little bit at

683
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:30,410
a time in like we're

684
00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:33,170
talking about the Bell mm-hmm you know

685
00:28:36,850 --> 00:28:34,370
in the military things are

686
00:28:39,370 --> 00:28:36,860
compartmentalized right and there's like

687
00:28:41,530 --> 00:28:39,380
that for a reason but you know we were

688
00:28:44,260 --> 00:28:41,540
interviewing TD Barnes he's an excellent

689
00:28:46,990 --> 00:28:44,270
aerospace engineer a real you know a

690
00:28:49,270 --> 00:28:47,000
real Patriot a real guy that that you

691
00:28:51,970 --> 00:28:49,280
know did what he did for for a love of

692
00:28:54,070 --> 00:28:51,980
his country he worked at this he worked

693
00:28:56,740 --> 00:28:54,080
in the skunk works he worked at area 51

694
00:28:59,500 --> 00:28:56,750
he was on the Discovery Channel area 51

695
00:29:01,570 --> 00:28:59,510
documentary he worked on the stealth

696
00:29:05,050 --> 00:29:01,580
program he worked on the a12 program

697
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:05,060
which was a predecessor the sr-71 and so

698
00:29:10,690 --> 00:29:07,520
Clyde was Clyde Lewis was interviewing

699
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:10,700
him and said you know hey so what about

700
00:29:15,910 --> 00:29:13,970
the bell as you guys ever work on the

701
00:29:18,190 --> 00:29:15,920
belt miss you know a lot of the

702
00:29:21,820 --> 00:29:18,200
conversation was not about UFOs because

703
00:29:23,950 --> 00:29:21,830
right TD Barnes is not a UFO guy he's an

704
00:29:25,330 --> 00:29:23,960
aerospace engineer he's a stealth

705
00:29:28,290 --> 00:29:25,340
engineer and he worked on the stealth

706
00:29:30,430 --> 00:29:28,300
fighter right and so you know Clyde

707
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:30,440
eventually got around to so what about

708
00:29:33,370 --> 00:29:32,210
the ballot and Barnes like oh I don't

709
00:29:35,410 --> 00:29:33,380
know what you're talking about that's

710
00:29:38,620 --> 00:29:35,420
that that conspiracy crap i don't know

711
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:38,630
and and Clyde said no no no it's it's

712
00:29:44,140 --> 00:29:41,120
Nazi technology it was shaped like an

713
00:29:46,450 --> 00:29:44,150
acorn kind of described it to him in TD

714
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:46,460
Barnes as responsible as something to

715
00:29:52,090 --> 00:29:49,250
the effect of well oh all that Nazi

716
00:29:53,020 --> 00:29:52,100
stuff was sent to wright-patterson he's

717
00:29:54,850 --> 00:29:53,030
like I know what you're talking about

718
00:29:55,930 --> 00:29:54,860
all that Nazis you know that all that

719
00:29:57,670 --> 00:29:55,940
German stuff was sent to

720
00:30:00,160 --> 00:29:57,680
wright-patterson foreign technology

721
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:00,170
division well okay so i guess the bell

722
00:30:04,270 --> 00:30:02,690
made it to wright-patterson if it made

723
00:30:07,030 --> 00:30:04,280
it to wright-patterson and made it into

724
00:30:10,090 --> 00:30:07,040
DARPA and we probably have our own UFOs

725
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:10,100
that are powered by it yeah not a Farley

726
00:30:15,070 --> 00:30:12,530
it's really not you have to you know in

727
00:30:17,740 --> 00:30:15,080
conspiracy research you have to look for

728
00:30:20,950 --> 00:30:17,750
the little stuff it's these little tiny

729
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:20,960
arcane statements because people just

730
00:30:27,250 --> 00:30:24,170
let them slip it's like my gift analogy

731
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:27,260
mmm you give somebody the greatest gift

732
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:30,080
ever you can't you have trouble because

733
00:30:34,210 --> 00:30:31,490
you know it's going to bring them such

734
00:30:35,710 --> 00:30:34,220
joy so you give them little hints what

735
00:30:37,780 --> 00:30:35,720
you wouldn't it be great if you've got a

736
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:37,790
sign letter from Ridley Scott or

737
00:30:42,550 --> 00:30:40,130
anything great you know if you got an

738
00:30:44,259 --> 00:30:42,560
insight and a blade runner you know so

739
00:30:46,690 --> 00:30:44,269
you get these you let out these

740
00:30:49,989 --> 00:30:46,700
snippets I mean I do it myself we all do

741
00:30:51,820 --> 00:30:49,999
yeah and got look for that that's the

742
00:30:54,099 --> 00:30:51,830
weakness in human nature that's where

743
00:30:56,229 --> 00:30:54,109
you get the confirmation that this stuff

744
00:30:57,879 --> 00:30:56,239
exists that's the Boeing inch and you're

745
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:57,889
calling me up in the last five minutes

746
00:31:04,269 --> 00:31:00,320
of the show to tell me about this thing

747
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:04,279
and I can't ask any questions and it's a

748
00:31:09,519 --> 00:31:06,799
crazy story and you know something else

749
00:31:11,949 --> 00:31:09,529
you have in that article that I thought

750
00:31:14,259 --> 00:31:11,959
was really interesting is this this

751
00:31:17,589 --> 00:31:14,269
other threat apparently this Apophis

752
00:31:19,539 --> 00:31:17,599
this asteroid that's looking like it's

753
00:31:22,539 --> 00:31:19,549
headed towards this in 20 29 that's

754
00:31:25,539 --> 00:31:22,549
pretty damn scary man whats ya how real

755
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:25,549
is that that's absolutely real in fact I

756
00:31:30,099 --> 00:31:27,440
suggest that everybody goes on YouTube

757
00:31:32,589 --> 00:31:30,109
and neil degrasse tyson did an excellent

758
00:31:34,989 --> 00:31:32,599
explanation of Apophis I mean I can't I

759
00:31:37,629 --> 00:31:34,999
I can't do it any better than ale

760
00:31:39,940 --> 00:31:37,639
deGrasse Tyson as all of that guy but

761
00:31:41,379 --> 00:31:39,950
basically in 20 29 it's going to come

762
00:31:43,419 --> 00:31:41,389
toward the earth and it's going to miss

763
00:31:47,469 --> 00:31:43,429
we're not going to you know we're not

764
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:47,479
going to flame out you know in 20 29 but

765
00:31:53,169 --> 00:31:50,809
depending on its orbit when it passes us

766
00:31:55,419 --> 00:31:53,179
if it hits something called a keyhole

767
00:31:58,569 --> 00:31:55,429
which is like an 8 or 9 kilometre wide

768
00:32:02,079 --> 00:31:58,579
that's kilometers kids that's not feet

769
00:32:05,829 --> 00:32:02,089
it's kilometers if it hits inside this 8

770
00:32:08,919 --> 00:32:05,839
or 9 kilometre white portion of space

771
00:32:11,169 --> 00:32:08,929
they call it the keyhole and depending

772
00:32:13,719 --> 00:32:11,179
on where it is in the keyhole depends on

773
00:32:15,639 --> 00:32:13,729
where it will hit off of santa monica so

774
00:32:18,339 --> 00:32:15,649
if it's up it hits closer if it's down

775
00:32:21,219 --> 00:32:18,349
it hits further out and basically it's

776
00:32:23,109 --> 00:32:21,229
large enough then when it hits if it

777
00:32:26,049 --> 00:32:23,119
hits the earth it'll create a five-mile

778
00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:26,059
wide crater five-mile wide five mile

779
00:32:31,479 --> 00:32:28,369
deep crater in the ocean and it will

780
00:32:34,719 --> 00:32:31,489
send out a tsunami it just barely

781
00:32:38,859 --> 00:32:34,729
subsonic speed toward the California

782
00:32:41,019 --> 00:32:38,869
coast and then then what will happen is

783
00:32:42,879 --> 00:32:41,029
is that that will hit the coast it'll

784
00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:42,889
destroy all those beautiful houses in

785
00:32:49,389 --> 00:32:45,849
Malibu and he'll suckle it as the as the

786
00:32:51,999 --> 00:32:49,399
five-mile wide crater refills with water

787
00:32:53,859 --> 00:32:52,009
it will cavitate and so what you'll see

788
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:53,869
is all the water gets sucked back in to

789
00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:56,559
fill that five mile wide hole

790
00:33:02,009 --> 00:32:58,690
then it'll cavitate meaning that it'll

791
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:02,019
it'll create another wave that will

792
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:04,570
again hit the California west coast in

793
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:06,610
general and basically as neil degrasse

794
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:09,610
tyson puts it it will sandblast the west

795
00:33:16,889 --> 00:33:14,559
coast well [\h__\h] I I mean I yeah I was

796
00:33:17,820 --> 00:33:16,899
SAR how far in Linda have to go I assume

797
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:17,830
you're going to be moving away from

798
00:33:22,259 --> 00:33:20,080
California if that's gonna happen I

799
00:33:24,180 --> 00:33:22,269
thought I've got some mount I got a

800
00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:24,190
coastal mountain range between me and

801
00:33:29,460 --> 00:33:27,129
the sandblasting I'm also you know over

802
00:33:32,730 --> 00:33:29,470
200 feet above the water so I think I'll

803
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:32,740
be okay but it'll be very bad and the

804
00:33:35,399 --> 00:33:34,090
other thing about it is that it's going

805
00:33:38,369 --> 00:33:35,409
to chuck a bunch of stuff into the

806
00:33:40,919 --> 00:33:38,379
atmosphere right because it's super

807
00:33:45,419 --> 00:33:40,929
heated when it hits so you know really

808
00:33:49,710 --> 00:33:45,429
the the the overall effect of the impact

809
00:33:55,529 --> 00:33:49,720
could be quite massive damn that's scary

810
00:33:56,820 --> 00:33:55,539
man it is I mean it but well besides you

811
00:33:58,799 --> 00:33:56,830
know besides that you know what's

812
00:34:01,409 --> 00:33:58,809
getting super dumb phone I blew your

813
00:34:03,210 --> 00:34:01,419
mind well I meaning what do you say it's

814
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:03,220
a [\h__\h] asteroid it's for you can't

815
00:34:07,379 --> 00:34:04,480
really do much about it and hopefully

816
00:34:09,629 --> 00:34:07,389
the solar warden people have got this on

817
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:09,639
lock and they shoot that thing down it's

818
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:11,770
a [\h__\h] hestra that's named after the

819
00:34:16,829 --> 00:34:15,129
Egyptian god of death right that you

820
00:34:18,899 --> 00:34:16,839
don't you got to save that name for when

821
00:34:21,300 --> 00:34:18,909
it really counts that's what he points

822
00:34:23,099 --> 00:34:21,310
out at the beginning no we didn't call

823
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:23,109
it the Hello Kitty asteroid you know

824
00:34:29,220 --> 00:34:25,810
framed it to the Egyptian god of death I

825
00:34:32,730 --> 00:34:29,230
mean that's pretty bad yeah there's some

826
00:34:35,069 --> 00:34:32,740
insinuations there but a lot of that

827
00:34:37,050 --> 00:34:35,079
goes back to to this movie that that

828
00:34:38,700 --> 00:34:37,060
I've been talking about a lot over the

829
00:34:41,490 --> 00:34:38,710
last couple years called alternative

830
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:41,500
three yeah you know really alternative

831
00:34:45,930 --> 00:34:43,210
three lays the groundwork for all this

832
00:34:47,339 --> 00:34:45,940
kind of stuff it effectively there's

833
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:47,349
something that's bad that's going to

834
00:34:54,510 --> 00:34:51,609
happen that's its environmental in

835
00:34:56,369 --> 00:34:54,520
nature in alternative three they talk

836
00:34:59,520 --> 00:34:56,379
about an ice age which is fairly

837
00:35:02,010 --> 00:34:59,530
feasible and then they talk about some

838
00:35:05,099 --> 00:35:02,020
attempts to stop it and there were three

839
00:35:07,380 --> 00:35:05,109
options to kind of stop it one was to

840
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:07,390
blow all the atmosphere invent all the

841
00:35:13,180 --> 00:35:10,490
carbon idea we could build on your

842
00:35:15,010 --> 00:35:13,190
Bunker's but we couldn't build enough

843
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:15,020
bunkers to save enough people so that

844
00:35:21,850 --> 00:35:19,970
was deemed as not feasible so then the

845
00:35:24,130 --> 00:35:21,860
third alternative was to skip town and

846
00:35:25,570 --> 00:35:24,140
to go to Mars and suppose the last

847
00:35:28,660 --> 00:35:25,580
couple minutes of the footage is

848
00:35:31,390 --> 00:35:28,670
actually footage of a man landing on

849
00:35:34,180 --> 00:35:31,400
Mars so it's a joint soviet-american man

850
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:34,190
man landing that's interesting this is a

851
00:35:41,730 --> 00:35:37,730
this is apparently was a this movie was

852
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:41,740
put out as a mockumentary as a farce

853
00:35:46,690 --> 00:35:43,520
apparently it was supposed to come out

854
00:35:51,130 --> 00:35:46,700
on April first and it didn't I came out

855
00:35:52,630 --> 00:35:51,140
about accumulator Judith but how I mean

856
00:35:55,780 --> 00:35:52,640
obviously you've seen it I haven't seen

857
00:35:57,700 --> 00:35:55,790
it you feel like it was a little bit of

858
00:35:59,890 --> 00:35:57,710
conditioning was it supposed to was it

859
00:36:03,220 --> 00:35:59,900
really trying to show us something you

860
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:03,230
think it was more than just a joke yeah

861
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:06,320
I do I mean in it again it's it's the

862
00:36:11,350 --> 00:36:09,050
absence of evidence you know and that's

863
00:36:13,690 --> 00:36:11,360
not always a great way you know using a

864
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:13,700
negative to prove a positive but if you

865
00:36:17,740 --> 00:36:15,920
look at that film it was deemed so

866
00:36:20,770 --> 00:36:17,750
dangerous that they could not air it

867
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:20,780
ever again and then I TV will East

868
00:36:27,790 --> 00:36:23,570
Anglia TV that put it out you know they

869
00:36:30,010 --> 00:36:27,800
the Masters were destroyed in a fire so

870
00:36:31,690 --> 00:36:30,020
there's no masters there's no contracts

871
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:31,700
there's no nothing there's only one

872
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:33,920
known master to be in existence and

873
00:36:39,099 --> 00:36:35,690
that's in the hands of the guy who

874
00:36:41,590 --> 00:36:39,109
filmed it man that's interesting so

875
00:36:44,020 --> 00:36:41,600
basically it doesn't exist yeah if it

876
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:44,030
was just a joke you would think that it

877
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:45,680
wouldn't be that big of deal to air it

878
00:36:50,830 --> 00:36:47,690
more than once but maybe it was too much

879
00:36:52,900 --> 00:36:50,840
revealing information in it well so they

880
00:36:56,530 --> 00:36:52,910
aired it in England and Scandinavia on

881
00:36:57,970 --> 00:36:56,540
the same time they simulcast it then

882
00:36:59,740 --> 00:36:57,980
they pass laws saying it couldn't be

883
00:37:02,500 --> 00:36:59,750
heard again they married in Australia

884
00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:02,510
they passed a law they try to aired in

885
00:37:07,390 --> 00:37:04,609
America the head of NBC drama bought it

886
00:37:09,130 --> 00:37:07,400
bought the rights to it he came back and

887
00:37:11,530 --> 00:37:09,140
he said this is brilliant you know this

888
00:37:12,970 --> 00:37:11,540
will give big ratings standards and

889
00:37:15,250 --> 00:37:12,980
practices who are effectively the

890
00:37:17,859 --> 00:37:15,260
sensors said it's too dangerous for

891
00:37:19,630 --> 00:37:17,869
television you know at this point the

892
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:19,640
only the only country in the earth that

893
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:23,040
i know of the can broadcast it is japan

894
00:37:27,410 --> 00:37:24,530
apparently once a year they show it

895
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:27,420
really once a year that's pretty [\h__\h]

896
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:30,810
cool yeah but you know I think you know

897
00:37:35,540 --> 00:37:32,970
you got like the main the main astronaut

898
00:37:37,910 --> 00:37:35,550
who saw things on the moon his name was

899
00:37:39,710 --> 00:37:37,920
Bob Grodin you know it's basically Buzz

900
00:37:42,290 --> 00:37:39,720
Aldrin he's an alcoholic he's been

901
00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:42,300
married five times you know whatever so

902
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:44,040
everybody you know there there's an

903
00:37:48,170 --> 00:37:46,050
equivalency right that it you know Buzz

904
00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:48,180
Aldrin is Bob Grodin and you can kind of

905
00:37:52,460 --> 00:37:50,940
track down who is who and then you know

906
00:37:54,140 --> 00:37:52,470
you look at some of the ideas they had

907
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:54,150
about the new you know the nuclear

908
00:38:00,830 --> 00:37:56,610
missile there's a nuclear test you know

909
00:38:03,620 --> 00:38:00,840
that happen the bunkers no just read

910
00:38:05,660 --> 00:38:03,630
anything by Richard solder and you know

911
00:38:07,790 --> 00:38:05,670
you'll read all about the crazy bunker

912
00:38:10,010 --> 00:38:07,800
stuff they've done a high-speed rail

913
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:10,020
system under North America and all that

914
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:15,210
you know so even even to tell you why

915
00:38:19,790 --> 00:38:17,610
one of the linchpins for me of why I

916
00:38:22,370 --> 00:38:19,800
think it's real is that you know a lot

917
00:38:24,860 --> 00:38:22,380
of times we go to these conventions or

918
00:38:27,710 --> 00:38:24,870
you know we we gather amongst ourselves

919
00:38:29,330 --> 00:38:27,720
and people talk about chemtrails it's

920
00:38:33,140 --> 00:38:29,340
like chemtrails chemtrails chemtrails

921
00:38:36,350 --> 00:38:33,150
right well nobody knows exactly what

922
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:36,360
they are nobody can really prove that

923
00:38:41,870 --> 00:38:38,850
chemtrails exist it's all it's all kind

924
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:41,880
of hocus-pocus well the contrail takes

925
00:38:46,670 --> 00:38:44,160
too long to dissipate you know maybe

926
00:38:48,350 --> 00:38:46,680
it's real maybe it's not right but what

927
00:38:51,260 --> 00:38:48,360
I will tell you that is absolutely one

928
00:38:55,790 --> 00:38:51,270
hundred percent certain is two things

929
00:38:59,120 --> 00:38:55,800
one when 911 occurred and they grounded

930
00:39:01,250 --> 00:38:59,130
every plane in North America a bunch of

931
00:39:03,140 --> 00:39:01,260
atmospheric scientists and oh my god

932
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:03,150
this is the first time in recorded

933
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:05,010
history there are no airplanes in the

934
00:39:09,860 --> 00:39:08,250
air so they all ran outside and they

935
00:39:12,410 --> 00:39:09,870
went got their balloons and all their

936
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:12,420
gear and they start running tests and

937
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:14,250
they proved and there's a great

938
00:39:18,620 --> 00:39:16,170
documentary about this but they approved

939
00:39:21,020 --> 00:39:18,630
that the ambient light on the earth

940
00:39:22,940 --> 00:39:21,030
increased by like two percent like one

941
00:39:25,250 --> 00:39:22,950
percent or two percent and the

942
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:25,260
temperature of the earth started to go

943
00:39:31,730 --> 00:39:29,010
up I am a second yeah and then the

944
00:39:34,490 --> 00:39:31,740
second thing that happened is that in

945
00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:34,500
nineteen I want to say it's 1957 might

946
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:36,300
be like 1958

947
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:38,730
dr. edward teller who's the who's

948
00:39:45,140 --> 00:39:42,210
basically the father of the bomb he

949
00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:45,150
fronted a plan to the american chemical

950
00:39:53,090 --> 00:39:48,510
society to dump aluminum particles in

951
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:53,100
the upper atmosphere to to deflect the

952
00:39:58,780 --> 00:39:56,010
sun and to control the temperature on

953
00:40:02,360 --> 00:39:58,790
the surface of the earth basically in

954
00:40:04,700 --> 00:40:02,370
1958 he was the architect of what we

955
00:40:06,500 --> 00:40:04,710
would now call chemtrails so if

956
00:40:10,580 --> 00:40:06,510
chemtrails are real they've been at it

957
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:10,590
since the 50s it's nothing new and these

958
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:13,050
atmospheric scientists proved that

959
00:40:17,170 --> 00:40:14,970
whatever is going on that something's

960
00:40:21,110 --> 00:40:17,180
going on now some people believe that

961
00:40:24,290 --> 00:40:21,120
that they're they're using chemtrails to

962
00:40:27,020 --> 00:40:24,300
stop a global Ice Age some people think

963
00:40:29,090 --> 00:40:27,030
that they're using chemtrails to control

964
00:40:30,740 --> 00:40:29,100
the temperature of the earth you know

965
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:30,750
because of the greenhouse effect the

966
00:40:36,590 --> 00:40:33,330
basically em trails are introducing

967
00:40:38,540 --> 00:40:36,600
introducing a greenhouse effect so they

968
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:38,550
control the atmosphere and then they can

969
00:40:44,780 --> 00:40:41,850
stave off the ice age right and it would

970
00:40:47,210 --> 00:40:44,790
be an S if Apophis hits because the

971
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:47,220
nuclear winter something like like

972
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:49,680
chemtrails would be able to control that

973
00:40:55,130 --> 00:40:52,410
and to limit the destructive power of it

974
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:55,140
I just have a real problem thinking that

975
00:40:59,090 --> 00:40:57,210
things like that are positive because

976
00:41:00,620 --> 00:40:59,100
there's no need to keep that such a

977
00:41:03,620 --> 00:41:00,630
secret i mean i guess you could say to

978
00:41:06,350 --> 00:41:03,630
keep people from mass panic but right

979
00:41:07,810 --> 00:41:06,360
that's that's all that's all the

980
00:41:11,210 --> 00:41:07,820
evidence you need right there man

981
00:41:14,540 --> 00:41:11,220
because you know if you told everybody

982
00:41:16,070 --> 00:41:14,550
that the let's say that alternative

983
00:41:18,350 --> 00:41:16,080
three is a hundred percent and we're

984
00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:18,360
going into what message you want to tell

985
00:41:23,020 --> 00:41:21,510
the population north america that like

986
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:23,030
half of it is going to be covered by ice

987
00:41:28,070 --> 00:41:25,530
how do you think the people in denver

988
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:28,080
how do you think that people in in you

989
00:41:34,070 --> 00:41:32,370
know like a spot right little but idaho

990
00:41:36,890 --> 00:41:34,080
are going to react to that there's only

991
00:41:38,660 --> 00:41:36,900
react very badly right no one wants to

992
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:38,670
hear that but if if you've been doing it

993
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:40,650
for years and you got it on lock and

994
00:41:46,250 --> 00:41:44,010
it's all the control you know i mean

995
00:41:48,050 --> 00:41:46,260
obviously it's there's still a risk and

996
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,060
telling people you don't want everybody

997
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:50,640
to go completely apeshit but I don't

998
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:52,890
I just I just I'm always I'm always for

999
00:41:57,710 --> 00:41:55,410
the truth whether it's scary or not you

1000
00:42:00,800 --> 00:41:57,720
know you have at the Brookings study in

1001
00:42:02,510 --> 00:42:00,810
a roundabout way told us back then when

1002
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:02,520
we couldn't handle the truth the

1003
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:05,250
Brookings study showed us that if if we

1004
00:42:09,830 --> 00:42:07,770
were one hundred percent honest and as

1005
00:42:12,770 --> 00:42:09,840
my philosophy professor used to call

1006
00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:12,780
them Joe Sixpack who cares about six

1007
00:42:17,570 --> 00:42:15,240
pack and the 49ers right you know if

1008
00:42:19,310 --> 00:42:17,580
that guy found out some of the [\h__\h]

1009
00:42:21,620 --> 00:42:19,320
that's going on you know he would have a

1010
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:21,630
total mental breakdown now is that a

1011
00:42:27,020 --> 00:42:24,480
hundred percent now probably not but

1012
00:42:30,410 --> 00:42:27,030
that is the logic that they're basing

1013
00:42:32,210 --> 00:42:30,420
all their decisions on you know yeah and

1014
00:42:35,570 --> 00:42:32,220
it is a fair point I don't agree with it

1015
00:42:36,830 --> 00:42:35,580
but that that is what it is right well

1016
00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:36,840
besides what you've written about

1017
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:40,710
recently and this uh the idea of a space

1018
00:42:47,330 --> 00:42:44,010
war between Nazis and us do you have any

1019
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:47,340
personal favorite UFO stories from your

1020
00:42:55,550 --> 00:42:50,610
long time of research that you think

1021
00:42:59,900 --> 00:42:55,560
might have an alien origins hmm you know

1022
00:43:03,800 --> 00:42:59,910
there are a few I mean they're one that

1023
00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:03,810
I always enjoyed you know back in feudal

1024
00:43:08,690 --> 00:43:06,780
Japan there was a period of time that

1025
00:43:11,450 --> 00:43:08,700
these golden eggs were descending from

1026
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:11,460
the sky and that they were landing on

1027
00:43:17,330 --> 00:43:14,460
the beaches and these these Japanese

1028
00:43:20,030 --> 00:43:17,340
fishermen this is feudal Japan yeah so

1029
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:20,040
this is like the 16th century you know

1030
00:43:24,590 --> 00:43:22,290
that they were landing and interacting

1031
00:43:26,030 --> 00:43:24,600
with the fishermen you know I find that

1032
00:43:28,270 --> 00:43:26,040
interesting I like a lot of the

1033
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:28,280
historical stuff about like the Vimanas

1034
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:31,530
you know and some of the earlier things

1035
00:43:38,660 --> 00:43:34,400
because they're less muddled by our own

1036
00:43:41,720 --> 00:43:38,670
preconceptions of what this is the the

1037
00:43:44,060 --> 00:43:41,730
mysterious dirigibles you know in Texas

1038
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:44,070
and these are that's kind of the stuff

1039
00:43:48,260 --> 00:43:46,560
that i enjoy i like the older stuff yeah

1040
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:48,270
I mean there's even their stories that

1041
00:43:52,670 --> 00:43:50,000
Christopher Columbus had written about

1042
00:43:54,850 --> 00:43:52,680
lanterns that were going around the ship

1043
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:54,860
under the ship under underwater

1044
00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:56,850
Christopher Columbus is an interesting

1045
00:44:01,400 --> 00:43:58,890
one to talk about because not only did

1046
00:44:03,710 --> 00:44:01,410
he claim to see UFOs especially when

1047
00:44:04,490 --> 00:44:03,720
they were in the Sargasso Sea he also

1048
00:44:08,540 --> 00:44:04,500
claimed that

1049
00:44:10,700 --> 00:44:08,550
that there was a ghost I want to say it

1050
00:44:13,220 --> 00:44:10,710
was a navigator for Amerigo Vespucci

1051
00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:13,230
that that helped it remember it was

1052
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:15,420
Magellan I forget who who the ghost was

1053
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:17,610
but there was a ghost that basically

1054
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,010
helped him find North America no [\h__\h]

1055
00:44:24,530 --> 00:44:22,560
yeah well he didn't find North America

1056
00:44:27,770 --> 00:44:24,540
went in san salvador but you know

1057
00:44:31,130 --> 00:44:27,780
Vikings from America but that's he he

1058
00:44:33,140 --> 00:44:31,140
quote unquote found America and a ghost

1059
00:44:35,330 --> 00:44:33,150
help them find it apparently he's very

1060
00:44:39,740 --> 00:44:35,340
honest about it wow I never heard the

1061
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:39,750
ghost aspect that's not what user yeah

1062
00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:42,720
google is my friend uh I wanted to

1063
00:44:47,330 --> 00:44:44,910
switch gears a little bit before we wrap

1064
00:44:50,750 --> 00:44:47,340
this up because I use reddit a lot and

1065
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:50,760
this week it's all about the prism Thane

1066
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:53,760
this big text phone internet spying

1067
00:44:58,580 --> 00:44:56,010
program and you were telling me a bit

1068
00:45:00,530 --> 00:44:58,590
about your IT background and we talked a

1069
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:00,540
bit about built-in government back doors

1070
00:45:04,940 --> 00:45:02,880
at the con con but have you looked into

1071
00:45:08,090 --> 00:45:04,950
this prism thing at all it's huge news

1072
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:08,100
this week specifically so really what

1073
00:45:12,410 --> 00:45:10,290
prism as near as I can tell was all

1074
00:45:16,370 --> 00:45:12,420
about was harvesting metadata about

1075
00:45:19,700 --> 00:45:16,380
phone calls so it was like who called

1076
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:19,710
who from where you know if they were on

1077
00:45:23,690 --> 00:45:21,570
a cell phone which cell phones how are

1078
00:45:25,370 --> 00:45:23,700
they utilized right you were in their

1079
00:45:28,910 --> 00:45:25,380
house whether the coordinates of the

1080
00:45:32,990 --> 00:45:28,920
house the length of the phone call etc

1081
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:33,000
now the reason that that's important is

1082
00:45:36,770 --> 00:45:34,410
it conventionally say well it's

1083
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:36,780
important because if two terrorists are

1084
00:45:40,430 --> 00:45:38,130
calling each other we know where one of

1085
00:45:43,130 --> 00:45:40,440
them is right maybe the other guys on a

1086
00:45:45,260 --> 00:45:43,140
satellite phone in Afghanistan but at

1087
00:45:47,890 --> 00:45:45,270
least the guy in America we know what

1088
00:45:50,330 --> 00:45:47,900
cell tower ii was working off of right

1089
00:45:54,290 --> 00:45:50,340
the other thing that's interesting about

1090
00:45:57,170 --> 00:45:54,300
it is that if you take that data and you

1091
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:57,180
match it to echelon and echelon is that

1092
00:46:02,450 --> 00:46:00,000
program out of Pine Gap that listens to

1093
00:46:05,930 --> 00:46:02,460
all of our phone calls and analyzes them

1094
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:05,940
heuristically that they now have the

1095
00:46:09,350 --> 00:46:07,410
pointers of where the phone call was

1096
00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:09,360
made so not only do they have the

1097
00:46:13,460 --> 00:46:11,250
context of the phone call the actual

1098
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:13,470
phone call itself they now have the

1099
00:46:18,500 --> 00:46:15,690
points that the phone call originated

1100
00:46:20,810 --> 00:46:18,510
and ended at so if you take all that

1101
00:46:23,290 --> 00:46:20,820
together you've got everything you could

1102
00:46:27,590 --> 00:46:23,300
ever want to know about a phone call

1103
00:46:30,100 --> 00:46:27,600
then it's it seems to be a little

1104
00:46:31,970 --> 00:46:30,110
intense like obviously they're

1105
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:31,980
overstepping the thing that was really

1106
00:46:37,940 --> 00:46:34,970
nuts to me is that the reports say that

1107
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:37,950
basically every major corporation is

1108
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:40,410
involved in just giving up data Apple

1109
00:46:45,350 --> 00:46:43,440
Facebook Google Yahoo Microsoft they're

1110
00:46:49,310 --> 00:46:45,360
just giving the NSA access to all our

1111
00:46:53,150 --> 00:46:49,320
usage it's kind of [\h__\h] up that no

1112
00:46:54,590 --> 00:46:53,160
company sides on you know on it's on the

1113
00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:54,600
side of their own customers you know

1114
00:46:59,360 --> 00:46:56,730
yeah but you have to think about it

1115
00:47:02,480 --> 00:46:59,370
logically right is that if you look at

1116
00:47:05,570 --> 00:47:02,490
these companies they all have massive

1117
00:47:08,540 --> 00:47:05,580
defense contracts well right so if they

1118
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:08,550
don't give it up and and if they don't

1119
00:47:13,010 --> 00:47:11,040
comply with the FISA order you know

1120
00:47:15,980 --> 00:47:13,020
number one they're legally bound to do

1121
00:47:17,300 --> 00:47:15,990
it because physis said it was okay so

1122
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:17,310
that means that they're in contempt of

1123
00:47:22,850 --> 00:47:20,130
court if they don't do it but also you

1124
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:22,860
know a lot of these companies have you

1125
00:47:26,570 --> 00:47:24,810
know deep deep deep you know Defense

1126
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:26,580
Department contracts I mean look at

1127
00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:29,520
Microsoft right Microsoft put a nice big

1128
00:47:36,070 --> 00:47:31,380
back door in every Windows operating

1129
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:36,080
system for the FBI and the NSA okay

1130
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:38,250
originally I went skype which we're

1131
00:47:42,260 --> 00:47:39,930
talking on tonight when skype was

1132
00:47:44,750 --> 00:47:42,270
developed the engineers who built skype

1133
00:47:47,690 --> 00:47:44,760
they basically used a key that was so

1134
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:47,700
long and the key is that that encryption

1135
00:47:53,060 --> 00:47:50,490
key that decodes a conversation right so

1136
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:53,070
we both have a key and that allows this

1137
00:47:58,580 --> 00:47:56,490
conversation to be secured they use the

1138
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:58,590
key that was so long that supposedly it

1139
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:00,960
would take the entire computational

1140
00:48:07,940 --> 00:48:05,130
power of the NSA which is significant 75

1141
00:48:11,630 --> 00:48:07,950
years to crack it for every single phone

1142
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:11,640
call Wow skype was skype was sold to

1143
00:48:15,980 --> 00:48:14,130
ebay I don't you know I don't really

1144
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:15,990
understand the logic of that but

1145
00:48:20,570 --> 00:48:18,720
whatever I'm you know I'm not at sea

1146
00:48:22,550 --> 00:48:20,580
level of ebay so I don't know what they

1147
00:48:24,530 --> 00:48:22,560
were thinking all right but you know

1148
00:48:26,270 --> 00:48:24,540
ebay bottom and then ebay really

1149
00:48:28,460 --> 00:48:26,280
couldn't monetize and figure out what to

1150
00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:28,470
do with it so they sold it to Microsoft

1151
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:30,510
and what's the first thing Microsoft did

1152
00:48:33,069 --> 00:48:31,170
they

1153
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:33,079
back door in for the NSA and the FBI

1154
00:48:37,910 --> 00:48:36,000
there's a back door in in Microsoft

1155
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:37,920
products is a back door and Apple

1156
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:41,130
products somebody introduced a few years

1157
00:48:48,010 --> 00:48:43,410
ago somebody introduced a rootkit or

1158
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:48,020
back door into the openbsd Colonel

1159
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:52,049
Colonel path which they took out but you

1160
00:48:56,690 --> 00:48:54,089
know you think about how big a colonel

1161
00:48:58,039 --> 00:48:56,700
is it's pretty complex so you know

1162
00:48:59,930 --> 00:48:58,049
there's probably somebody else in

1163
00:49:01,819 --> 00:48:59,940
another anonymous individual probably

1164
00:49:05,420 --> 00:49:01,829
put another route kodomo the damn phone

1165
00:49:07,130 --> 00:49:05,430
and bsd is very secure you know so every

1166
00:49:10,849 --> 00:49:07,140
time there's an operating system they

1167
00:49:12,620 --> 00:49:10,859
put in one of these back doors so you

1168
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:12,630
know you're not safe and then there's

1169
00:49:18,890 --> 00:49:16,530
currently this is a yeah this is old

1170
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:18,900
news i mean prisms bad because we all

1171
00:49:24,140 --> 00:49:22,079
found out about it you know and maybe my

1172
00:49:26,359 --> 00:49:24,150
cell phones on verizon and you know now

1173
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:26,369
they know all about my my penalty phone

1174
00:49:31,940 --> 00:49:28,890
calls to my co-workers and my wife and

1175
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:31,950
you know it's I'm surprised I'm shocked

1176
00:49:37,940 --> 00:49:34,410
and I'm angry because they're spying on

1177
00:49:39,859 --> 00:49:37,950
me but the reality of it is is that this

1178
00:49:42,770 --> 00:49:39,869
does been at work for a long time in the

1179
00:49:45,859 --> 00:49:42,780
90s they had carnivore carnivore eats

1180
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:45,869
all your email so they got extra lot in

1181
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:47,760
the 80s and the 90s which listens all

1182
00:49:53,180 --> 00:49:49,410
your phone calls they've got carnivore

1183
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,190
to read your email now this thing now

1184
00:49:56,859 --> 00:49:55,440
they just know you know physically where

1185
00:49:59,870 --> 00:49:56,869
you were at when you made the phone call

1186
00:50:01,400 --> 00:49:59,880
so really is prison bad sure it's not

1187
00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:01,410
good but you know we live in a police

1188
00:50:07,849 --> 00:50:04,710
state is it is it any worse than than

1189
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:07,859
carnivore etch alone probably not yeah I

1190
00:50:11,059 --> 00:50:08,970
mean it really shouldn't be a surprise

1191
00:50:14,030 --> 00:50:11,069
to anyone but I don't know if you're

1192
00:50:15,650 --> 00:50:14,040
much of a of a gamer but the new xbox is

1193
00:50:18,079 --> 00:50:15,660
getting blasted by the gaming community

1194
00:50:20,299 --> 00:50:18,089
because in the xbox one the Kinect

1195
00:50:22,940 --> 00:50:20,309
camera and microphone must be connected

1196
00:50:24,740 --> 00:50:22,950
for it to work and it must connect the

1197
00:50:26,780 --> 00:50:24,750
internet at least once every 24 hour

1198
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:26,790
period to work and I don't know about

1199
00:50:30,799 --> 00:50:28,650
anybody else but if they're cooperating

1200
00:50:32,660 --> 00:50:30,809
with this kind of stuff if that's if

1201
00:50:33,799 --> 00:50:32,670
this is prism thing is any indication of

1202
00:50:35,089 --> 00:50:33,809
their behavior I don't want that

1203
00:50:37,900 --> 00:50:35,099
[\h__\h] in my house why would i pay

1204
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:37,910
money to have that in my living room

1205
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:41,130
well but you know that's the problem

1206
00:50:45,050 --> 00:50:43,140
with these these kinds of things is that

1207
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:45,060
you know most people aren't kind

1208
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:47,490
right into the situation so you know you

1209
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:50,850
react badly to the Xbox one I don't have

1210
00:50:55,730 --> 00:50:52,890
one but maybe Microsoft will give me one

1211
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:55,740
after this conversation on it but you

1212
00:50:59,600 --> 00:50:57,570
know I know we're all surprised and

1213
00:51:01,370 --> 00:50:59,610
shocked and angry but then we have to

1214
00:51:04,250 --> 00:51:01,380
step back for a minute and think about

1215
00:51:06,740 --> 00:51:04,260
it logically right that you know you're

1216
00:51:09,380 --> 00:51:06,750
shocked and upset maybe you're not but

1217
00:51:12,290 --> 00:51:09,390
you as a generic term right are shocked

1218
00:51:14,060 --> 00:51:12,300
and upset because while the xbox one

1219
00:51:16,220 --> 00:51:14,070
probably has a rootkit and they could

1220
00:51:18,350 --> 00:51:16,230
turn that camera on hey I've got to

1221
00:51:21,290 --> 00:51:18,360
connect maybe they're turning my connect

1222
00:51:24,380 --> 00:51:21,300
on and listening to me at home but what

1223
00:51:26,510 --> 00:51:24,390
you have to go then and realize is that

1224
00:51:30,170 --> 00:51:26,520
your cell phone can be remotely

1225
00:51:33,110 --> 00:51:30,180
activated by Verizon or AT&T or tmobile

1226
00:51:34,970 --> 00:51:33,120
or cricket or whoever you're using if

1227
00:51:37,940 --> 00:51:34,980
they mean to they can turn yourself

1228
00:51:40,070 --> 00:51:37,950
along without you knowing it and turn it

1229
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:40,080
into not only a microphone but a video

1230
00:51:44,450 --> 00:51:42,960
camera they've root kitted your computer

1231
00:51:46,700 --> 00:51:44,460
so if they really wanted to they could

1232
00:51:48,650 --> 00:51:46,710
turn on my camera right now and you

1233
00:51:50,540 --> 00:51:48,660
could see they could see me and turn on

1234
00:51:52,910 --> 00:51:50,550
my mic and they could see me as well

1235
00:51:55,850 --> 00:51:52,920
these things are already in the wild I

1236
00:51:57,950 --> 00:51:55,860
mean the idea becoming the xbox one this

1237
00:52:00,500 --> 00:51:57,960
is--that's they're just late entrance to

1238
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:00,510
the to the police thing your cell phone

1239
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:02,610
right now I don't know who your carrier

1240
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:04,800
is but doesn't matter whoever your

1241
00:52:08,780 --> 00:52:06,450
carrier is can switch your cell phone on

1242
00:52:10,490 --> 00:52:08,790
right now and listen to this

1243
00:52:15,260 --> 00:52:10,500
conversation and you'll never even know

1244
00:52:18,490 --> 00:52:15,270
it just it's you hear it and I mean I

1245
00:52:21,170 --> 00:52:18,500
don't know if I've known of any cases of

1246
00:52:22,940 --> 00:52:21,180
of anyone being you know if it coming

1247
00:52:26,540 --> 00:52:22,950
forth they were prosecuted because their

1248
00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:26,550
cellphone was turned on but yeah it's

1249
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:28,710
it's scary [\h__\h] it just sucks you know

1250
00:52:32,090 --> 00:52:30,450
all the major corporations are aligned

1251
00:52:34,010 --> 00:52:32,100
against this and that's no secret but

1252
00:52:35,870 --> 00:52:34,020
you know where their customers and we

1253
00:52:37,790 --> 00:52:35,880
people keep giving them their money and

1254
00:52:39,260 --> 00:52:37,800
allowing them to be so powerful of

1255
00:52:41,420 --> 00:52:39,270
course you know government contracts are

1256
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:41,430
helping to which is also our money I

1257
00:52:46,730 --> 00:52:43,010
don't know if you heard the story about

1258
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:46,740
the UPS FedEx thing but the government

1259
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:48,330
agencies were approaching all these

1260
00:52:52,700 --> 00:52:50,130
major shipping companies wanted to sift

1261
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:52,710
through them looking for people mailing

1262
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:55,050
pharmaceuticals apparently and UPS was

1263
00:52:58,730 --> 00:52:56,640
like yeah guys no problem take whatever

1264
00:53:00,530 --> 00:52:58,740
you need and then fedex for Jen

1265
00:53:02,270 --> 00:53:00,540
to the notion in the CEO released a

1266
00:53:04,490 --> 00:53:02,280
statement somewhere in the ballpark of

1267
00:53:06,140 --> 00:53:04,500
we have no interest in violating the

1268
00:53:08,510 --> 00:53:06,150
privacy of our customers just to verify

1269
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:08,520
of a package contents are legal which

1270
00:53:13,730 --> 00:53:10,650
was awesome you know I I don't I rarely

1271
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:13,740
see that coming from a company I mean

1272
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:15,810
that's why I take the headache of be

1273
00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:18,090
coming out and saying oh yeah we're just

1274
00:53:22,690 --> 00:53:19,710
going to defy the government but I mean

1275
00:53:25,340 --> 00:53:22,700
hey if you got a mail drugs use fedex

1276
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:25,350
yeah but if you want to ship guns or

1277
00:53:28,910 --> 00:53:26,880
drugs she's fed ex but you know the

1278
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:28,920
thing about the thing about it is is

1279
00:53:32,930 --> 00:53:31,440
that they say that now but if but if

1280
00:53:35,450 --> 00:53:32,940
they got a knock on the door from the

1281
00:53:37,970 --> 00:53:35,460
FBI or the BATF they hand it over a

1282
00:53:40,100 --> 00:53:37,980
heartbeat right it doesn't take much no

1283
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,110
they're doing it now because they have

1284
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:42,960
an out but if that out disappears and

1285
00:53:46,580 --> 00:53:44,640
they've got a FISA order that says that

1286
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:46,590
they have to do it they'll do it right

1287
00:53:50,180 --> 00:53:47,610
because there's really no alternative

1288
00:53:51,230 --> 00:53:50,190
right if you fight the thighs order the

1289
00:53:52,070 --> 00:53:51,240
only thing it's going to happen is

1290
00:53:57,710 --> 00:53:52,080
you're going to end up in a federal

1291
00:54:00,440 --> 00:53:57,720
maximum security you know prison yeah l

1292
00:54:02,930 --> 00:54:00,450
probably using that is a known combatant

1293
00:54:06,590 --> 00:54:02,940
and send you to guantanamo right i mean

1294
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:06,600
it it is a bit overwhelming man you know

1295
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:09,119
the thing the thing that bothers me more

1296
00:54:14,270 --> 00:54:11,609
than the surveillance because we live in

1297
00:54:16,730 --> 00:54:14,280
a surveillance society remember i lived

1298
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:16,740
in england and they had this truck and

1299
00:54:21,170 --> 00:54:18,330
they would park it in front of the pubs

1300
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:21,180
and the truck was basically had it

1301
00:54:26,300 --> 00:54:24,090
literally had just 360 degrees of ccd

1302
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:26,310
cameras and they didn't even cover it up

1303
00:54:30,590 --> 00:54:28,290
they just parked the surveillance van

1304
00:54:33,170 --> 00:54:30,600
and they can see everything and they

1305
00:54:35,330 --> 00:54:33,180
could hear everything in every country

1306
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:35,340
we live in a surveillance society it's

1307
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:38,160
just what what happened what bothers me

1308
00:54:42,530 --> 00:54:41,040
more is these what's coming out of the

1309
00:54:45,230 --> 00:54:42,540
Department of Justice where they're

1310
00:54:47,570 --> 00:54:45,240
saying that well we can classify use it

1311
00:54:51,230 --> 00:54:47,580
as an enemy combatant and we can kill

1312
00:54:53,180 --> 00:54:51,240
you from orbit which they can do you

1313
00:54:56,300 --> 00:54:53,190
know or we can we can kill you with a

1314
00:54:58,580 --> 00:54:56,310
drone in America because we don't like

1315
00:55:01,940 --> 00:54:58,590
you well that to me you know that to me

1316
00:55:04,310 --> 00:55:01,950
is is the bridge that bad is truly that

1317
00:55:06,740 --> 00:55:04,320
truly bothers me the idea that they can

1318
00:55:09,740 --> 00:55:06,750
listen to my cell phone I can't control

1319
00:55:11,780 --> 00:55:09,750
it so I just ignore it because you can't

1320
00:55:15,470 --> 00:55:11,790
stop it but the drum think

1321
00:55:19,070 --> 00:55:15,480
that that's it's another level that's

1322
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:19,080
terrifying yeah man why that that just

1323
00:55:23,050 --> 00:55:20,730
about does it we've talked about so many

1324
00:55:26,690 --> 00:55:23,060
and lightning and positive topics from

1325
00:55:31,100 --> 00:55:26,700
Nazis bases on Mars attacking us and

1326
00:55:33,740 --> 00:55:31,110
Apophis the giant space rocket doom spy

1327
00:55:35,930 --> 00:55:33,750
satellites it's been a very uplifting

1328
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:35,940
and positive talk man he'll do a happy

1329
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:41,370
man yeah well is there anything you want

1330
00:55:45,650 --> 00:55:43,530
to tell people out before I mean before

1331
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:45,660
we let you go I mean I know the next

1332
00:55:49,010 --> 00:55:47,130
time I'm going to see you again is going

1333
00:55:51,020 --> 00:55:49,020
to be at the paranoiac on which is

1334
00:55:54,410 --> 00:55:51,030
taking place here in sunny sandy

1335
00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:54,420
comic-con weekend july 19 through the

1336
00:55:58,670 --> 00:55:56,730
21st i think i actually want to say that

1337
00:56:00,860 --> 00:55:58,680
ron patent is an awesome guy i just got

1338
00:56:02,540 --> 00:56:00,870
to meet him at the at the con con this

1339
00:56:04,130 --> 00:56:02,550
is first time throwing an event like

1340
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:04,140
this I think he has some really great

1341
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:06,690
speakers yourself Adam go rightly Andy

1342
00:56:11,630 --> 00:56:09,450
covin a bunch more THC fans should

1343
00:56:12,650 --> 00:56:11,640
definitely come out but I mean what are

1344
00:56:15,590 --> 00:56:12,660
you going to be talking about the same

1345
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:15,600
kind of thing the Nazi space bases well

1346
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:18,240
you know I'm uh I'm going for something

1347
00:56:23,660 --> 00:56:20,880
truly uplifting I want to talk about

1348
00:56:26,500 --> 00:56:23,670
just the happiest stuff on earth and so

1349
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:26,510
yeah some type of nazi space bases and

1350
00:56:31,700 --> 00:56:29,310
the coming apocalypse I wanted to aim

1351
00:56:33,710 --> 00:56:31,710
high and you know leave satisfied happy

1352
00:56:37,100 --> 00:56:33,720
customers of course with rose-colored

1353
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:37,110
glasses right take the pill before you

1354
00:56:43,070 --> 00:56:41,610
show up I always do but I know the thing

1355
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:43,080
I wanted to pop in there at the last

1356
00:56:47,420 --> 00:56:44,610
minute is you know we were talking about

1357
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:47,430
how expensive these cons can be in about

1358
00:56:52,730 --> 00:56:49,170
how people can't afford it you know and

1359
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:52,740
Ron is a pretty cool guy and and he

1360
00:56:56,810 --> 00:56:54,450
looked and searched for a place that we

1361
00:56:59,690 --> 00:56:56,820
could hold it though be cost-effective

1362
00:57:02,480 --> 00:56:59,700
so your tickets 20 bucks you know 20

1363
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:02,490
bucks 850 bucks for all three days you

1364
00:57:06,650 --> 00:57:04,170
know come on out it's cheap you can

1365
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:06,660
afford it probably and if you can't you

1366
00:57:10,430 --> 00:57:08,010
come to the door and you don't quite

1367
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:10,440
have 20 bucks you have 15 bucks or

1368
00:57:13,490 --> 00:57:12,240
something and you know it's legitimate

1369
00:57:15,170 --> 00:57:13,500
let us know and we'll make something

1370
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:15,180
happen yeah we're going to check your

1371
00:57:21,650 --> 00:57:17,850
pockets but yeah well she will turn you

1372
00:57:23,810 --> 00:57:21,660
upside down no it's a great point it is

1373
00:57:25,370 --> 00:57:23,820
pretty damn cheap and I think the

1374
00:57:27,650 --> 00:57:25,380
speakers are awesome I'm

1375
00:57:29,930 --> 00:57:27,660
excited to hear to you talk I'm excited

1376
00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:29,940
to hear Adam talk we had Andy kovin on

1377
00:57:33,830 --> 00:57:31,680
the show a while ago talking about the

1378
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:33,840
Mothman and some fascinating stuff by

1379
00:57:37,730 --> 00:57:36,090
Union Carbide and some really deep level

1380
00:57:38,930 --> 00:57:37,740
stuff he was a great guess too so I'm

1381
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:38,940
sure he's going to talk about some

1382
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,490
interesting topics you know so after

1383
00:57:45,350 --> 00:57:43,440
you've seen after you've seen the new

1384
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:45,360
spider-man trailer that you can also

1385
00:57:48,620 --> 00:57:47,010
just watch on youtube maybe you should

1386
00:57:52,100 --> 00:57:48,630
come out here some real [\h__\h] down the

1387
00:57:52,850 --> 00:57:52,110
street there you go but is there

1388
00:57:56,750 --> 00:57:52,860
anything else you want to tell people

1389
00:57:59,240 --> 00:57:56,760
about your website your roku channel my

1390
00:58:00,680 --> 00:57:59,250
roku channels in amelies channel com you

1391
00:58:03,740 --> 00:58:00,690
can add it there it's free I don't

1392
00:58:06,580 --> 00:58:03,750
charge a lot of the stuff that I right

1393
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:06,590
you can find out in conspiracy HQ com or

1394
00:58:11,180 --> 00:58:09,210
paranoia magazine com and if you want to

1395
00:58:13,550 --> 00:58:11,190
find out more about paranoia the

1396
00:58:18,020 --> 00:58:13,560
paranoiac on etc apparently on magazine

1397
00:58:19,550 --> 00:58:18,030
com awesome there it is well thanks a

1398
00:58:22,070 --> 00:58:19,560
lot man you're an awesome guy it's been

1399
00:58:24,580 --> 00:58:22,080
lots of fun I'm psyched to see you again

1400
00:58:27,980 --> 00:58:24,590
it's been a great time talking to you

1401
00:58:30,770 --> 00:58:27,990
have a good one you too alright man

1402
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:30,780
alright people that was hola Phillips it

1403
00:58:34,610 --> 00:58:32,850
is great to be back thanks so much for

1404
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:34,620
listening tell your friends share the

1405
00:58:38,900 --> 00:58:36,930
show give me a thumbs up on stitcher a 5

1406
00:58:41,150 --> 00:58:38,910
star wherever you are these are the

1407
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:41,160
currencies of the digital world here are

1408
00:58:45,350 --> 00:58:43,170
some random chats from the con con and

1409
00:58:50,810 --> 00:58:45,360
i'll see you guys next week with Rupert

1410
00:58:50,820 --> 00:58:55,850
I wear mine

1411
00:59:01,620 --> 00:58:59,040
to a core it comes down to a ranch in

1412
00:59:04,530 --> 00:59:01,630
Dragoon Arizona now Joe goon is a pretty

1413
00:59:08,010 --> 00:59:04,540
unique name Merlin the magician he only

1414
00:59:11,310 --> 00:59:08,020
had one magic word in his arsenal that

1415
00:59:12,810 --> 00:59:11,320
ward werster goon and that revolves are

1416
00:59:14,460 --> 00:59:12,820
on this ranch it's called the triangle T

1417
00:59:17,220 --> 00:59:14,470
guest ranch which i'm in the i mean the

1418
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:17,230
the works of assembling the money in the

1419
00:59:20,970 --> 00:59:18,970
spirit to get to buy that the people who

1420
00:59:23,460 --> 00:59:20,980
own it now are very well aware that I am

1421
00:59:25,260 --> 00:59:23,470
the repurchase or of that property it's

1422
00:59:27,180 --> 00:59:25,270
a place where the Kennedys and the

1423
00:59:30,570 --> 00:59:27,190
Rockefellers in the Vanderbilts and Walt

1424
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:30,580
Disney people from NASA went there in my

1425
00:59:34,140 --> 00:59:32,290
understanding I don't quote me on this

1426
00:59:37,130 --> 00:59:34,150
but in my understanding it was to have

1427
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:37,140
meetings with the Ark of the Covenant to

1428
00:59:42,510 --> 00:59:40,210
see how to build our current dream our

1429
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:42,520
infrastructure and our influence

1430
00:59:47,010 --> 00:59:44,290
something beyond what we have right now

1431
00:59:50,430 --> 00:59:47,020
well they they got that to build what

1432
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:50,440
we're in right now so my project is to

1433
00:59:58,130 --> 00:59:52,650
buy this ranch in to buy it as a

1434
01:00:00,890 --> 00:59:58,140
republic into institute paperwork called

1435
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:00,900
corpus separate them which is what

1436
01:00:05,100 --> 01:00:03,610
Jerusalem is trying to accomplish in in

1437
01:00:06,330 --> 01:00:05,110
the Middle East right now well there's a

1438
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:06,340
little bit of dysfunction in that whole

1439
01:00:10,830 --> 01:00:08,170
story because we live in a place called

1440
01:00:12,510 --> 01:00:10,840
America that is really revolves around

1441
01:00:14,370 --> 01:00:12,520
New Jerusalem which is what we're

1442
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:14,380
looking for we have to go back a little

1443
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:15,850
bit but it's about moving forward so

1444
01:00:20,820 --> 01:00:18,640
this New Jerusalem will be at a place in

1445
01:00:22,500 --> 01:00:20,830
Arizona that starts with a ranch it

1446
01:00:23,940 --> 01:00:22,510
starts with a certain community and I

1447
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:23,950
have the maps and I'm going to reveal

1448
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:25,090
that on the fourth of July and

1449
01:00:30,750 --> 01:00:28,690
everything to the public that the

1450
01:00:34,250 --> 01:00:30,760
authorities that we want this to happen

1451
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:34,260
and it's a really beautiful story of

1452
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:36,330
just the creating of stories that's why

1453
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:37,290
we're going through this mess everyone

1454
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:39,090
wants to know why well we have an

1455
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:42,810
infinite amount of entertainment just

1456
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:45,090
from the past that we can be entertained

1457
01:00:51,050 --> 01:00:47,370
from the future so we can go through the

1458
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:51,060
future not making mistakes not creating

1459
01:00:55,010 --> 01:00:53,010
funny stories because we can spend

1460
01:00:58,280 --> 01:00:55,020
eternity laughing at ourselves from the

1461
01:00:59,720 --> 01:00:58,290
things we did in the past yeah

1462
01:01:02,060 --> 01:00:59,730
absolutely does you know things have

1463
01:01:03,500 --> 01:01:02,070
been messed up for quite some time it's

1464
01:01:06,140 --> 01:01:03,510
odd you kind of you alluded to the fact

1465
01:01:07,970 --> 01:01:06,150
that the the people in charge want this

1466
01:01:10,750 --> 01:01:07,980
progression to happen they're not

1467
01:01:13,340 --> 01:01:10,760
they're not in opposition to this now

1468
01:01:15,410 --> 01:01:13,350
absolutely not I think I think that's

1469
01:01:16,700 --> 01:01:15,420
what would throw people the most is that

1470
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:16,710
they think that that's who we're

1471
01:01:19,310 --> 01:01:17,850
fighting against and you're talking

1472
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:19,320
about them actually wanting to

1473
01:01:24,910 --> 01:01:21,410
facilitate or help in this transition

1474
01:01:27,530 --> 01:01:24,920
right the only right it's the middle man

1475
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:27,540
that is really the dysfunction at this

1476
01:01:30,770 --> 01:01:29,610
point not saying we don't need anything

1477
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:30,780
in the middle of anything we need

1478
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:32,160
everything it's just the time of

1479
01:01:37,700 --> 01:01:35,610
shifting right now we don't it's very

1480
01:01:40,340 --> 01:01:37,710
easy for us all right the people in

1481
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:40,350
Congress all right the president very

1482
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:43,440
tough jobs right we all see them as

1483
01:01:46,790 --> 01:01:45,090
people with a lot of power but we also

1484
01:01:49,220 --> 01:01:46,800
see something behind them that is a

1485
01:01:52,510 --> 01:01:49,230
power over them so what we're trying to

1486
01:01:55,100 --> 01:01:52,520
connect is to those two things we can

1487
01:01:57,980 --> 01:01:55,110
have a creative forum and we're going to

1488
01:01:59,930 --> 01:01:57,990
practice this experiment with the land

1489
01:02:02,930 --> 01:01:59,940
that provides itself and the people yes

1490
01:02:04,100 --> 01:02:02,940
to come to it's hard for me I really

1491
01:02:05,330 --> 01:02:04,110
don't want to reveal too much because I

1492
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:05,340
don't want to interfere with people's

1493
01:02:08,090 --> 01:02:06,960
lives and they stand because it is going

1494
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:08,100
to be a project that everyone agrees

1495
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:10,970
with it's not going to be by surprises

1496
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:13,170
when do you think knowledge of this is

1497
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:15,570
going to hit a mainstream level on the

1498
01:02:20,780 --> 01:02:18,050
fourth of July this should be headline

1499
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:20,790
across mainstream media absolutely one

1500
01:02:24,860 --> 01:02:23,010
hundred percent not me I think yes I

1501
01:02:28,300 --> 01:02:24,870
think mainstream media is going to be

1502
01:02:32,770 --> 01:02:30,790
they can't avoid it so and it's going to

1503
01:02:36,070 --> 01:02:32,780
be known it's going to be known as

1504
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:36,080
project 45 yes project 45 the united

1505
01:02:41,650 --> 01:02:38,330
states of mind the united states of mind

1506
01:02:43,150 --> 01:02:41,660
and what on the fourth of july what sort

1507
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:43,160
of changes is that when some changes

1508
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:44,720
will start to get made is it all about

1509
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:49,010
this place in arizona i will there be

1510
01:02:55,390 --> 01:02:51,650
any changes to government on the fourth

1511
01:02:57,940 --> 01:02:55,400
of july ok yes why because you're the

1512
01:02:59,950 --> 01:02:57,950
government because whoever whoever sees

1513
01:03:02,080 --> 01:02:59,960
this project and sees the information

1514
01:03:05,650 --> 01:03:02,090
and sees my story their minds will be

1515
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:05,660
instantly transformed its wow you're the

1516
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:08,090
government people who are unaware of

1517
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:10,610
these truths are the government so yes

1518
01:03:14,790 --> 01:03:12,650
immediately anyone who sees the

1519
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:14,800
information they have to present

1520
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:16,850
immediately yes there is a change in the

1521
01:03:21,490 --> 01:03:18,290
government because they are the

1522
01:03:23,050 --> 01:03:21,500
government well set it seems like

1523
01:03:24,310 --> 01:03:23,060
abstract thinking but it's really simple

1524
01:03:27,220 --> 01:03:24,320
when you get down to it and a lot of

1525
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:27,230
people have lost their con except with

1526
01:03:31,420 --> 01:03:29,570
they are the government everything was

1527
01:03:33,940 --> 01:03:31,430
for a time in a place there's altima

1528
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:33,950
tlie no judgment in any of this you know

1529
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:36,890
the great day of judgement is about no

1530
01:03:41,470 --> 01:03:38,930
judgment it's about using us are you

1531
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:41,480
know a day when finally everyone on

1532
01:03:46,030 --> 01:03:44,210
earth everyone is in their right mind

1533
01:03:47,740 --> 01:03:46,040
everyone is in there right state of mind

1534
01:03:50,170 --> 01:03:47,750
they were a united state of mind and

1535
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:50,180
we're in a place one day the day of

1536
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:53,570
judgment where we can all have a place

1537
01:04:01,210 --> 01:03:57,050
of peace for one second one minute one

1538
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:01,220
hour just sitting down holding hands

1539
01:04:06,100 --> 01:04:03,410
corny little story of a united humanity

1540
01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:06,110
i believe in it my life's work has no

1541
01:04:09,790 --> 01:04:07,760
room for failure because i work for God

1542
01:04:11,710 --> 01:04:09,800
I work for the American people I work

1543
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:11,720
for every living cynthy and being in the

1544
01:04:15,370 --> 01:04:13,490
universe because I dedicated my life to

1545
01:04:17,590 --> 01:04:15,380
that they have I'm not going to stop

1546
01:04:19,420 --> 01:04:17,600
until they didn't tell ya there's no one

1547
01:04:21,550 --> 01:04:19,430
left to help essentially all I have to

1548
01:04:23,950 --> 01:04:21,560
do is help myself and allow that to

1549
01:04:25,660 --> 01:04:23,960
unfold so it all comes down to that I'm

1550
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:25,670
not trying to change anyone I'm not

1551
01:04:28,990 --> 01:04:27,290
trying to fix anything

1552
01:04:30,820 --> 01:04:29,000
I do anything I'm just trying to be me

1553
01:04:33,970 --> 01:04:30,830
and I'm trying to be the best me that I

1554
01:04:38,170 --> 01:04:33,980
possibly can well said Jeremiah and the

1555
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:38,180
website is project 45 um I have a I'm

1556
01:04:41,980 --> 01:04:40,010
not sure about the details I'm sure that

1557
01:04:44,740 --> 01:04:41,990
will be set up at a time it's all it's a

1558
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:44,750
very organic experiment and so I have a

1559
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:46,970
Facebook page set up right now that it's

1560
01:04:50,380 --> 01:04:48,530
called project project 45 the united

1561
01:04:52,990 --> 01:04:50,390
states of mind I don't have much load

1562
01:04:54,730 --> 01:04:53,000
onto it but I think that in the next

1563
01:04:58,270 --> 01:04:54,740
couple days I'll have a lot of pictures

1564
01:05:00,030 --> 01:04:58,280
uploaded that that will open the door

1565
01:05:01,900 --> 01:05:00,040
for an intense amount of questions

1566
01:05:04,540 --> 01:05:01,910
awesome well thanks for talking to us

1567
01:05:08,140 --> 01:05:04,550
Jeremiah it's been a pleasure thanks

1568
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:08,150
that was us talking with Jeremiah Kaler

1569
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:22,200
how's it going higher such errors i'm

1570
01:05:25,829 --> 01:05:23,890
here with peter dorset we're sitting

1571
01:05:29,519 --> 01:05:25,839
here talking at the conspiracy's booth

1572
01:05:32,549 --> 01:05:29,529
at comic-con 2013 peter knows a lot

1573
01:05:35,250 --> 01:05:32,559
about wall and he also knows a lot about

1574
01:05:37,740 --> 01:05:35,260
UFOs he's been schooling me for a little

1575
01:05:40,380 --> 01:05:37,750
while now Peter how's it going I'm doing

1576
01:05:42,569 --> 01:05:40,390
good great thanks for asking uh what can

1577
01:05:44,670 --> 01:05:42,579
you what can you tell us about a law

1578
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:44,680
that has been kind of kept from us that

1579
01:05:47,670 --> 01:05:45,839
people night might not have been

1580
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:47,680
educated about that would be pretty

1581
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:49,690
helpful for them to know well the

1582
01:05:54,329 --> 01:05:51,609
interesting thing when I taught law for

1583
01:05:56,609 --> 01:05:54,339
about 15 years in Sacramento I became a

1584
01:05:58,410 --> 01:05:56,619
paralegal and I boiled down something

1585
01:05:59,609 --> 01:05:58,420
that was very Elementary I said you know

1586
01:06:01,890 --> 01:05:59,619
the difference between something that's

1587
01:06:03,660 --> 01:06:01,900
lawful and something that's legal and

1588
01:06:06,029 --> 01:06:03,670
most people said well are the same

1589
01:06:07,260 --> 01:06:06,039
aren't they and I said no actually if

1590
01:06:10,109 --> 01:06:07,270
you look them up in a law dictionary

1591
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:10,119
you'll notice that there's more than one

1592
01:06:14,730 --> 01:06:11,890
definition however let me boil it down

1593
01:06:17,279 --> 01:06:14,740
for you so you have a conceptual idea of

1594
01:06:19,260 --> 01:06:17,289
what lawful is as opposed to it legal is

1595
01:06:21,450 --> 01:06:19,270
since that's the basis of what we're

1596
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:21,460
going to talk about lawful is something

1597
01:06:25,710 --> 01:06:23,440
that's done Of By and For the People

1598
01:06:28,109 --> 01:06:25,720
with their permission and consent and

1599
01:06:31,049 --> 01:06:28,119
approval legal is something that's done

1600
01:06:33,809 --> 01:06:31,059
behind closed doors by attorneys

1601
01:06:36,599 --> 01:06:33,819
Congress people for the sole purpose of

1602
01:06:38,339 --> 01:06:36,609
extracting funds from somebody so when

1603
01:06:41,700 --> 01:06:38,349
they'll say when somebody says oh that's

1604
01:06:47,220 --> 01:06:41,710
illegal I can look up in the sky looking

1605
01:06:50,130 --> 01:06:47,230
for a sick bird and he'll Eagle there

1606
01:06:53,250 --> 01:06:50,140
are many languages that as Americans we

1607
01:06:55,109 --> 01:06:53,260
have the ability to think in we are

1608
01:06:57,150 --> 01:06:55,119
Street language which is what most

1609
01:06:59,430 --> 01:06:57,160
people converse in there's the written

1610
01:07:01,349 --> 01:06:59,440
language which is more formal then

1611
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:01,359
there's legal leaves only leaves has a

1612
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:03,520
different meaning than what a lot of

1613
01:07:08,700 --> 01:07:05,170
people think and so there's rules and

1614
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:08,710
guidelines called law dictionaries for

1615
01:07:14,039 --> 01:07:11,170
example Black's Law Dictionary the first

1616
01:07:16,620 --> 01:07:14,049
edition came out 1890 they are now up to

1617
01:07:18,599 --> 01:07:16,630
edition number Ken the interesting thing

1618
01:07:22,099 --> 01:07:18,609
that's difference between us a Webster's

1619
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:22,109
dictionary and a law dictionary is that

1620
01:07:28,059 --> 01:07:25,210
Webster's dictionary is used common

1621
01:07:30,489 --> 01:07:28,069
usage dictates what the word means

1622
01:07:32,170 --> 01:07:30,499
and that can change over time let's take

1623
01:07:35,349 --> 01:07:32,180
for example a word that most people are

1624
01:07:37,839 --> 01:07:35,359
now familiar with as gay that now means

1625
01:07:40,870 --> 01:07:37,849
someone who's homosexual however you

1626
01:07:43,329 --> 01:07:40,880
look at a dictionary from say the 1950s

1627
01:07:47,049 --> 01:07:43,339
gay meant someone who is happy so by

1628
01:07:48,519 --> 01:07:47,059
common usage that word changed once you

1629
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:48,529
understand that the difference between

1630
01:07:53,319 --> 01:07:51,170
say Webster's dictionary now the

1631
01:07:55,809 --> 01:07:53,329
definition in black's law dictionary

1632
01:07:57,939 --> 01:07:55,819
there's a number of other publications

1633
01:07:59,559 --> 01:07:57,949
that are also called law dictionaries

1634
01:08:01,569 --> 01:07:59,569
but the black's law dictionary is the

1635
01:08:03,759 --> 01:08:01,579
most popular and that's what's used in

1636
01:08:07,449 --> 01:08:03,769
the court system and what they do is

1637
01:08:10,059 --> 01:08:07,459
they change the language to change your

1638
01:08:12,910 --> 01:08:10,069
perception here's an example starting

1639
01:08:16,689 --> 01:08:12,920
with the addition number seven which

1640
01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:16,699
came out 1992 up through now the word

1641
01:08:22,990 --> 01:08:20,480
United States as a definition was

1642
01:08:27,490 --> 01:08:23,000
eliminated from Black's Law Dictionary

1643
01:08:30,910 --> 01:08:27,500
the word that was substituted was United

1644
01:08:33,550 --> 01:08:30,920
Nations really that's that's a little

1645
01:08:35,890 --> 01:08:33,560
creepy well let that gets you to start

1646
01:08:37,539 --> 01:08:35,900
thinking the other thing is if you look

1647
01:08:41,079 --> 01:08:37,549
at the back of black's law dictionary

1648
01:08:43,539 --> 01:08:41,089
you'll see that it's published by the

1649
01:08:46,149 --> 01:08:43,549
British so the British actually are

1650
01:08:48,459 --> 01:08:46,159
still in control of the law in this

1651
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:48,469
country the other thing that you'll note

1652
01:08:52,660 --> 01:08:51,170
when you get into studying a say for

1653
01:08:54,939 --> 01:08:52,670
example the United States Constitution

1654
01:08:57,309 --> 01:08:54,949
which is a very short document and which

1655
01:08:59,760 --> 01:08:57,319
all of the laws and rules of this

1656
01:09:04,300 --> 01:08:59,770
country are governed by so you have laws

1657
01:09:05,829 --> 01:09:04,310
regulations statutes and codes one of

1658
01:09:08,140 --> 01:09:05,839
the things that I try to tell people is

1659
01:09:09,249 --> 01:09:08,150
what is the definition of code do you

1660
01:09:11,229 --> 01:09:09,259
know what have you ever heard of what

1661
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:11,239
the definition of code is and they'll

1662
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:13,250
say well no I said okay look it up in

1663
01:09:18,010 --> 01:09:15,290
Webster's dictionary to start with

1664
01:09:19,329 --> 01:09:18,020
you'll learn and you and here's

1665
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:19,339
something that I say have you ever heard

1666
01:09:26,769 --> 01:09:23,810
the movie wind Walker's start Nicolas

1667
01:09:29,260 --> 01:09:26,779
Cage he was dealing with some Navajo

1668
01:09:31,780 --> 01:09:29,270
Indians who were able to who were able

1669
01:09:34,959 --> 01:09:31,790
to speak in the clear because they were

1670
01:09:36,410 --> 01:09:34,969
using code code when you look it up in

1671
01:09:38,930 --> 01:09:36,420
Webster's dictionary

1672
01:09:42,650 --> 01:09:38,940
current language so why do you suppose

1673
01:09:45,470 --> 01:09:42,660
they call it the IRS code or the DMV

1674
01:09:47,450 --> 01:09:45,480
code Penal Code in the Penal Code it all

1675
01:09:50,300 --> 01:09:47,460
means you have to have a code book to

1676
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:50,310
code decode it so it's secret language

1677
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:52,290
so we're being duped so there's your

1678
01:09:56,150 --> 01:09:54,570
beginning along hey that's that's great

1679
01:09:58,430 --> 01:09:56,160
information I mean it makes total sense

1680
01:10:00,770 --> 01:09:58,440
it's also interesting because it seems

1681
01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:00,780
like if you want to see the direction in

1682
01:10:05,419 --> 01:10:03,360
which the country's going look at the

1683
01:10:07,010 --> 01:10:05,429
legal what they put on paper because a

1684
01:10:08,419 --> 01:10:07,020
lot of times that stuff they'll put it

1685
01:10:09,950 --> 01:10:08,429
on paper and then it doesn't roll out

1686
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:09,960
for a few years and then it becomes

1687
01:10:14,590 --> 01:10:12,330
common well let me expand a little bit

1688
01:10:16,820 --> 01:10:14,600
on that great you have in this country

1689
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:16,830
if you go back to the beginning this

1690
01:10:24,830 --> 01:10:21,449
country broke away as has 13 colonies

1691
01:10:27,050 --> 01:10:24,840
and a war that started in 1776 that was

1692
01:10:31,970 --> 01:10:27,060
the beginning it didn't end in 1776 it

1693
01:10:34,580 --> 01:10:31,980
started in 1776 and ended in 1781 we

1694
01:10:36,380 --> 01:10:34,590
defeated the British Greg I'm gonna ask

1695
01:10:38,689 --> 01:10:36,390
you a question what happened to the

1696
01:10:41,390 --> 01:10:38,699
British at the end of that war what did

1697
01:10:42,890 --> 01:10:41,400
they do while there where it's all they

1698
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:42,900
went home they went home with their

1699
01:10:48,410 --> 01:10:46,400
weapons in tow does a vanquished foe

1700
01:10:50,540 --> 01:10:48,420
leave with their weapons from the

1701
01:10:52,729 --> 01:10:50,550
battlefield now they'd be lucky to live

1702
01:10:55,130 --> 01:10:52,739
with their heads right exactly so what's

1703
01:10:56,510 --> 01:10:55,140
wrong with this picture in that a lot of

1704
01:10:58,220 --> 01:10:56,520
people don't know that now let's move

1705
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:58,230
let's fast forward to the next war that

1706
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:00,000
we had and that was called the war of

1707
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:02,250
1812 which lasted for three years till

1708
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:05,610
1815 and then there was another war that

1709
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:08,610
started in 1861 and ended in april of

1710
01:11:13,310 --> 01:11:10,650
eighteen sixty five and that one is

1711
01:11:15,979 --> 01:11:13,320
often referred to as the American Civil

1712
01:11:17,540 --> 01:11:15,989
War now let me ask you a real important

1713
01:11:19,310 --> 01:11:17,550
question because this is going to lead

1714
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:19,320
into the other things which a lot of

1715
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:20,730
people want it where is it where's the

1716
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:23,610
UFO stuff right okay so what do you

1717
01:11:27,020 --> 01:11:25,130
suppose those three wars were all about

1718
01:11:27,890 --> 01:11:27,030
they're all about the same thing but

1719
01:11:31,150 --> 01:11:27,900
what do you think they were all about

1720
01:11:34,180 --> 01:11:31,160
well we're told power and territory no

1721
01:11:37,010 --> 01:11:34,190
it was about creating a central bank

1722
01:11:39,500 --> 01:11:37,020
well yeah that's true the underlines the

1723
01:11:40,970 --> 01:11:39,510
subtext that isn't taught in schools it

1724
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:40,980
seems to be very prominent in a

1725
01:11:45,709 --> 01:11:43,489
conspiracy world is that yes all war is

1726
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:45,719
basically about the monetary system in

1727
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:46,890
which the people are going to operate

1728
01:11:49,940 --> 01:11:47,520
under

1729
01:11:52,580 --> 01:11:49,950
but you see what happens is that we tend

1730
01:11:55,010 --> 01:11:52,590
to forget that which is written or

1731
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:55,020
whatever and so we speak in terms of

1732
01:12:00,380 --> 01:11:57,210
generations each generations about 25

1733
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:00,390
years so we ask somebody I was in the

1734
01:12:05,210 --> 01:12:03,360
Vietnam War in the 60s and I asked

1735
01:12:07,190 --> 01:12:05,220
someone that maybe 40 years younger than

1736
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:07,200
me to maybe two generations younger than

1737
01:12:10,580 --> 01:12:08,640
me and I'll see what do you know about

1738
01:12:12,710 --> 01:12:10,590
the Vietnam War and they'll say not much

1739
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:12,720
a pretty much have forgotten weren't

1740
01:12:17,150 --> 01:12:15,090
much like Korea well I grew up during

1741
01:12:19,610 --> 01:12:17,160
the Korean War I was a born right at the

1742
01:12:21,410 --> 01:12:19,620
end of war two but I studied those

1743
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:21,420
because it was important to me the

1744
01:12:24,770 --> 01:12:23,130
average person doesn't because it said

1745
01:12:27,290 --> 01:12:24,780
in there and they're mine takes up too

1746
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:27,300
much time so when you look at what's

1747
01:12:32,300 --> 01:12:29,610
important to you you become involved

1748
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:32,310
with it if it means something to you so

1749
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:34,290
we can fast forward into the UFO stuff

1750
01:12:38,210 --> 01:12:36,000
at any time but let me give you one more

1751
01:12:40,190 --> 01:12:38,220
idea behind these things that you were

1752
01:12:43,070 --> 01:12:40,200
talking about with the drones in our

1753
01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:43,080
country we have three bodies what is

1754
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:45,210
called a legislative which supposedly

1755
01:12:51,470 --> 01:12:48,570
creates the law we have the executive

1756
01:12:52,970 --> 01:12:51,480
which is the enforcement arm and then we

1757
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:52,980
have the judicial which is the

1758
01:12:58,100 --> 01:12:55,530
interpretation well what most people

1759
01:13:00,230 --> 01:12:58,110
don't know is that we're governed by

1760
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:00,240
executive orders which are written by

1761
01:13:06,020 --> 01:13:02,970
the by the president this when you do

1762
01:13:08,570 --> 01:13:06,030
the research started in 1861 with

1763
01:13:10,010 --> 01:13:08,580
Abraham Lincoln and the executive orders

1764
01:13:11,780 --> 01:13:10,020
if you go in and look at the

1765
01:13:14,030 --> 01:13:11,790
congressional records they were

1766
01:13:16,970 --> 01:13:14,040
basically promotions and demotions of

1767
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:16,980
federal people employees not until you

1768
01:13:21,620 --> 01:13:20,010
get to 1933 do you really understand

1769
01:13:27,740 --> 01:13:21,630
that it had to do with banking because

1770
01:13:30,830 --> 01:13:27,750
on march nine 1933 Franklin Delano

1771
01:13:33,050 --> 01:13:30,840
Roosevelt placed this country into

1772
01:13:35,450 --> 01:13:33,060
bankruptcy and they were been in

1773
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:35,460
bankruptcy ever since and it's sort of

1774
01:13:39,770 --> 01:13:37,440
interesting when you look at a federal

1775
01:13:41,780 --> 01:13:39,780
reserve note you ask someone what is

1776
01:13:44,450 --> 01:13:41,790
this they don't know where they note is

1777
01:13:47,060 --> 01:13:44,460
a promise to pay it's an IOU so how do

1778
01:13:49,790 --> 01:13:47,070
you discharge a debt with another debt

1779
01:13:51,980 --> 01:13:49,800
instrument that's a tricky question yes

1780
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:51,990
and yet most people can't answer because

1781
01:13:56,130 --> 01:13:53,760
they don't have enough factual

1782
01:13:58,770 --> 01:13:56,140
background information to eat

1783
01:14:00,930 --> 01:13:58,780
and go there so what you were alluding

1784
01:14:04,500 --> 01:14:00,940
to with the groans and everything else

1785
01:14:06,090 --> 01:14:04,510
is the quote imperial arm of the

1786
01:14:10,380 --> 01:14:06,100
executive branch doing whatever they

1787
01:14:12,570 --> 01:14:10,390
want absolutely and uh there are some

1788
01:14:15,480 --> 01:14:12,580
speakers there are some people out there

1789
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:15,490
that are talking about the idea that the

1790
01:14:21,900 --> 01:14:18,880
UFO story was all a cover up to cover up

1791
01:14:23,340 --> 01:14:21,910
the drone technology would you subscribe

1792
01:14:25,110 --> 01:14:23,350
to that or do you think there's real

1793
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:25,120
UFOs you've been telling me about that

1794
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:27,850
yes UFOs do exist they've existed for a

1795
01:14:33,390 --> 01:14:30,730
long time if you look at ancient history

1796
01:14:36,330 --> 01:14:33,400
there's a lot of pictographs a lot of

1797
01:14:39,780 --> 01:14:36,340
monuments there's obviously the pyramids

1798
01:14:41,670 --> 01:14:39,790
things like this puma puma punku God in

1799
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:41,680
Bolivia you know you've got stones that

1800
01:14:45,690 --> 01:14:43,930
are four or five hundred tons it can't

1801
01:14:47,430 --> 01:14:45,700
be moved by any modern equipment to this

1802
01:14:49,260 --> 01:14:47,440
day there's no trees so they didn't move

1803
01:14:52,530 --> 01:14:49,270
them with trees how did they do it and

1804
01:14:54,210 --> 01:14:52,540
the naysayers will say oh it was just

1805
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:54,220
you know it just happened that way they

1806
01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:56,050
don't have enough they have what is

1807
01:14:59,880 --> 01:14:58,000
known as cognitive dissonance cognitive

1808
01:15:01,950 --> 01:14:59,890
dissonance means well I've never heard

1809
01:15:04,980 --> 01:15:01,960
that so I can't believe it and there's a

1810
01:15:08,430 --> 01:15:04,990
lot of that going on with UFOs UFOs and

1811
01:15:09,900 --> 01:15:08,440
the UFO people the UFO community we've

1812
01:15:12,660 --> 01:15:09,910
been visited by people from our own

1813
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:12,670
future there's a number of people that

1814
01:15:16,500 --> 01:15:14,650
have subscribed to that that are aware

1815
01:15:19,140 --> 01:15:16,510
of that that know we are being visited

1816
01:15:21,480 --> 01:15:19,150
right now by people from our future they

1817
01:15:23,100 --> 01:15:21,490
have cloaking capabilities they have the

1818
01:15:25,230 --> 01:15:23,110
ability to shape-shift they have them

1819
01:15:27,210 --> 01:15:25,240
all these abilities and yet when we

1820
01:15:28,530 --> 01:15:27,220
don't understand that we say I can't

1821
01:15:30,420 --> 01:15:28,540
believe it so therefore I don't believe

1822
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:30,430
it what do you think is the best

1823
01:15:35,010 --> 01:15:33,250
evidence that's a skeptic or someone who

1824
01:15:36,540 --> 01:15:35,020
wants to believe but is looking for that

1825
01:15:38,910 --> 01:15:36,550
smoking gun what do you think is the

1826
01:15:41,610 --> 01:15:38,920
best thing they could look at in terms

1827
01:15:43,380 --> 01:15:41,620
of the UFO story well whenever you come

1828
01:15:45,450 --> 01:15:43,390
across any kind of knowledge that you

1829
01:15:47,070 --> 01:15:45,460
don't know about whether it's law or

1830
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:47,080
anything else you have to look at it

1831
01:15:51,750 --> 01:15:49,360
from many different angles one of the

1832
01:15:54,060 --> 01:15:51,760
things when I was teaching law was how

1833
01:15:56,490 --> 01:15:54,070
did when you get a citation it's because

1834
01:15:58,110 --> 01:15:56,500
someone cited you they was a visual

1835
01:16:01,470 --> 01:15:58,120
that's where citing although it's

1836
01:16:03,030 --> 01:16:01,480
spelled si gh T ing the citation has

1837
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:03,040
spells CIT a TI

1838
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:05,290
so but it means the same thing means

1839
01:16:09,930 --> 01:16:08,050
there was visual evidence what happens

1840
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:09,940
is when we when we're doing a lot of

1841
01:16:15,690 --> 01:16:13,690
research is we tend to hear information

1842
01:16:18,420 --> 01:16:15,700
and a court of law that becomes known as

1843
01:16:20,580 --> 01:16:18,430
hearsay evidence so when you're doing

1844
01:16:23,580 --> 01:16:20,590
UFO research you're going to hear a lot

1845
01:16:26,310 --> 01:16:23,590
of hearsay evidence until a person

1846
01:16:28,740 --> 01:16:26,320
actually has their own encounter and

1847
01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:28,750
they see with their own eyes one of the

1848
01:16:34,050 --> 01:16:31,840
things that I learned in my study of

1849
01:16:36,060 --> 01:16:34,060
this is that we actually have two

1850
01:16:38,430 --> 01:16:36,070
eyelids we have an outer eyelid and

1851
01:16:40,170 --> 01:16:38,440
inner eyelid and one of the things that

1852
01:16:42,750 --> 01:16:40,180
a person can do with this is they can

1853
01:16:45,300 --> 01:16:42,760
learn how to control energy and that is

1854
01:16:46,980 --> 01:16:45,310
by looking at the Sun and they open up

1855
01:16:49,020 --> 01:16:46,990
the inner eyelid they can allow

1856
01:16:50,700 --> 01:16:49,030
themselves to look at the Sun when you

1857
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:50,710
look at the Sun you're receiving energy

1858
01:16:55,170 --> 01:16:53,170
that you that was around and has been

1859
01:16:57,480 --> 01:16:55,180
around a long time the ancients knew

1860
01:16:58,770 --> 01:16:57,490
this I mean you asked the question is

1861
01:17:00,540 --> 01:16:58,780
how many ancient people did you know

1862
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:00,550
wore glasses they didn't they didn't

1863
01:17:04,860 --> 01:17:03,010
need him it's a very controversial

1864
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:04,870
subject but I've seen the documentary

1865
01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:07,090
eating the Sun which is kind of what

1866
01:17:10,890 --> 01:17:08,800
we're talking about there are people who

1867
01:17:13,620 --> 01:17:10,900
get their nourishment and their energy

1868
01:17:15,810 --> 01:17:13,630
from staring at the Sun it seems

1869
01:17:18,450 --> 01:17:15,820
incredibly controversial because that's

1870
01:17:20,130 --> 01:17:18,460
the doctrine of how dangerous that is

1871
01:17:22,170 --> 01:17:20,140
has been drilled into our heads since

1872
01:17:24,150 --> 01:17:22,180
childhood and it seems like it would be

1873
01:17:26,340 --> 01:17:24,160
dangerous it hurts it hurts my eyes to

1874
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:26,350
look at the Sun of course there in the

1875
01:17:29,370 --> 01:17:27,250
movie they talk about different

1876
01:17:31,230 --> 01:17:29,380
techniques you look at it at the when

1877
01:17:34,050 --> 01:17:31,240
it's low in the horizon or during the

1878
01:17:35,790 --> 01:17:34,060
rise of the setting but that's really

1879
01:17:39,330 --> 01:17:35,800
interesting you've had some positive

1880
01:17:42,750 --> 01:17:39,340
experiences and some real results from

1881
01:17:44,220 --> 01:17:42,760
from sun gazing yes I have and and I did

1882
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:44,230
find that on the internet it's actually

1883
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:45,970
called eat the Sun so just go to google

1884
01:17:49,380 --> 01:17:48,130
type in eat the Sun there's something

1885
01:17:53,580 --> 01:17:49,390
else you can do well we're kind of on

1886
01:17:55,830 --> 01:17:53,590
that subject is to type in Google the

1887
01:17:57,930 --> 01:17:55,840
secret life of plants and you'll learn

1888
01:18:01,200 --> 01:17:57,940
about how plants are sentient you can

1889
01:18:03,270 --> 01:18:01,210
also type in dr. emoto's water research

1890
01:18:05,100 --> 01:18:03,280
and you learn that water or any liquid

1891
01:18:07,980 --> 01:18:05,110
for that matter is sentient and the

1892
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:07,990
crystalline structure of that can change

1893
01:18:12,570 --> 01:18:09,970
just by the mere thought not just words

1894
01:18:14,490 --> 01:18:12,580
spoken but the mere thought of that can

1895
01:18:16,350 --> 01:18:14,500
change the crystalline structure so

1896
01:18:17,069 --> 01:18:16,360
ultimately what does that mean going

1897
01:18:19,259 --> 01:18:17,079
back to your rigid

1898
01:18:22,049 --> 01:18:19,269
question it has to do with how we

1899
01:18:23,939 --> 01:18:22,059
believe if we don't believe there's UFOs

1900
01:18:25,949 --> 01:18:23,949
or if there's aliens or anything will

1901
01:18:28,529 --> 01:18:25,959
never believe it because our mind has

1902
01:18:31,139 --> 01:18:28,539
put up a blockage for us and we can't

1903
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:31,149
see that once the veil is listed I mean

1904
01:18:35,549 --> 01:18:33,010
I could take you out to places where a

1905
01:18:37,199 --> 01:18:35,559
group of us will watch UFOs and somebody

1906
01:18:39,179 --> 01:18:37,209
that doesn't believe in UFOs can't see

1907
01:18:40,949 --> 01:18:39,189
them and everybody else could see them

1908
01:18:43,319 --> 01:18:40,959
and look at it yeah where there's lots

1909
01:18:45,989 --> 01:18:43,329
of them but they can't see them because

1910
01:18:48,899 --> 01:18:45,999
their minds eye doesn't allow them to

1911
01:18:51,599 --> 01:18:48,909
see it they're saying no and how does

1912
01:18:55,049 --> 01:18:51,609
that work with video evidence well video

1913
01:18:58,229 --> 01:18:55,059
video captures what it sees in terms of

1914
01:19:00,929 --> 01:18:58,239
light capturing our ability with our

1915
01:19:03,779 --> 01:19:00,939
lens and our eyes and our iris is that

1916
01:19:06,119 --> 01:19:03,789
we do an interpretation in our brain so

1917
01:19:07,290 --> 01:19:06,129
if you actually look at when we look at

1918
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:07,300
something that's written it's actually

1919
01:19:10,979 --> 01:19:09,489
backwards it goes through this process

1920
01:19:12,810 --> 01:19:10,989
in our mind and we have to flip it and

1921
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:12,820
there are people that have written OSIS

1922
01:19:17,189 --> 01:19:14,800
and the number of other diseases that

1923
01:19:19,259 --> 01:19:17,199
can't do that just yet then don't have

1924
01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:19,269
the ability to switch that so they have

1925
01:19:23,489 --> 01:19:20,800
to learn how to see things upside down

1926
01:19:25,739 --> 01:19:23,499
backwards and to them that's right it's

1927
01:19:28,139 --> 01:19:25,749
like how do you define colors to someone

1928
01:19:29,790 --> 01:19:28,149
that's never seen colors I mean that's

1929
01:19:31,829 --> 01:19:29,800
that's a something that we take for

1930
01:19:34,679 --> 01:19:31,839
granted and that's in the UFO community

1931
01:19:36,329 --> 01:19:34,689
those of us that are in the know we sort

1932
01:19:38,609 --> 01:19:36,339
of take it for granted that there's a

1933
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:38,619
lot of people to know know that how did

1934
01:19:42,750 --> 01:19:40,449
they get where of it and the answer is

1935
01:19:44,459 --> 01:19:42,760
really you ask someone when did you

1936
01:19:47,219 --> 01:19:44,469
first have your first experience or how

1937
01:19:49,109 --> 01:19:47,229
do you know I taught a training and when

1938
01:19:52,500 --> 01:19:49,119
I was teaching real estate we called it

1939
01:19:54,929 --> 01:19:52,510
mastering and the question was how do

1940
01:19:56,429 --> 01:19:54,939
you know you know and the answer

1941
01:19:57,869 --> 01:19:56,439
ultimately is you want to boil

1942
01:20:00,509 --> 01:19:57,879
everything down into as few words as you

1943
01:20:02,129 --> 01:20:00,519
can the answer is you know that you know

1944
01:20:04,049 --> 01:20:02,139
when you know that there's no other

1945
01:20:06,899 --> 01:20:04,059
answer you've come up with it can't be

1946
01:20:10,489 --> 01:20:06,909
anything else and so you come to that

1947
01:20:12,540 --> 01:20:10,499
conclusion whether it's by deduction

1948
01:20:14,969 --> 01:20:12,550
reasoning or whatever else you may want

1949
01:20:16,949 --> 01:20:14,979
to call it let you know and you have an

1950
01:20:19,319 --> 01:20:16,959
intuition about whether it some people

1951
01:20:22,290 --> 01:20:19,329
call it a sixth sense so it's in some

1952
01:20:24,540 --> 01:20:22,300
regards it's like knowing if I told you

1953
01:20:27,179 --> 01:20:24,550
Greg that there is shapeshifters among

1954
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:27,189
us I can see them you can't you'd say

1955
01:20:31,010 --> 01:20:28,650
how do you know Isis because I

1956
01:20:33,380 --> 01:20:31,020
can see them there's been movies that

1957
01:20:36,140 --> 01:20:33,390
have been alluded to that that some

1958
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:36,150
people were special glasses and they can

1959
01:20:39,950 --> 01:20:37,530
let they live and they could see that

1960
01:20:42,500 --> 01:20:39,960
well that's what happens for those of us

1961
01:20:44,750 --> 01:20:42,510
that can see the law for example or how

1962
01:20:47,090 --> 01:20:44,760
it's being subverted is that our country

1963
01:20:49,700 --> 01:20:47,100
is being taken over and has been for a

1964
01:20:51,260 --> 01:20:49,710
long time it's a corporation and that's

1965
01:20:53,570 --> 01:20:51,270
another subject but when you get into

1966
01:20:55,070 --> 01:20:53,580
this thing of knowledge it's like how

1967
01:20:56,990 --> 01:20:55,080
much do you want it's like how much of

1968
01:20:58,520 --> 01:20:57,000
the pie you want to eat how much of the

1969
01:21:00,680 --> 01:20:58,530
knowledge do you want you want just a

1970
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:00,690
little taste or do you want to know more

1971
01:21:05,300 --> 01:21:03,090
and its insatiable for me it Sunsational

1972
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:05,310
meaning that one thing leads to another

1973
01:21:10,490 --> 01:21:08,130
so law can lead to UFOs can leave to new

1974
01:21:12,740 --> 01:21:10,500
discoveries discoveries that most people

1975
01:21:14,930 --> 01:21:12,750
say that can't happen I mean we have

1976
01:21:17,450 --> 01:21:14,940
technology now that can make a person

1977
01:21:19,010 --> 01:21:17,460
invisible we also have technologies that

1978
01:21:21,260 --> 01:21:19,020
you can point a weapon and disintegrate

1979
01:21:23,540 --> 01:21:21,270
somebody totally vaporize them I mean

1980
01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:23,550
that sounds like DC comic stuff but in

1981
01:21:27,770 --> 01:21:25,679
reality exists I know I was in the

1982
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:27,780
military and above top secret clearance

1983
01:21:32,510 --> 01:21:30,810
I was a infantry commander and then I

1984
01:21:35,030 --> 01:21:32,520
was a public information officer so I

1985
01:21:36,830 --> 01:21:35,040
have the knowledge a first-hand being

1986
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:36,840
able to experience it see it feel it

1987
01:21:41,990 --> 01:21:39,330
touch it everything else when you talk

1988
01:21:44,899 --> 01:21:42,000
to someone you must qualify them by

1989
01:21:46,189 --> 01:21:44,909
asking who what why where when how what

1990
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:46,199
is your experience how did you come

1991
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:48,090
about it how do you know that exists a

1992
01:21:51,979 --> 01:21:50,010
lot of people like to give lip service

1993
01:21:53,870 --> 01:21:51,989
to something because they want the

1994
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:53,880
recognition and when I asked you

1995
01:21:59,419 --> 01:21:56,400
originally with the weather most basic

1996
01:22:01,310 --> 01:21:59,429
needs are the answer should be air then

1997
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:01,320
water and then food then shelter and

1998
01:22:04,970 --> 01:22:03,330
then love well what has happened for a

1999
01:22:07,669 --> 01:22:04,980
lot of young people is they've taken

2000
01:22:09,770 --> 01:22:07,679
love is the number one requirement in

2001
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:09,780
the form of texting because they can be

2002
01:22:13,610 --> 01:22:11,850
instantly recognized oh I'm great well

2003
01:22:15,530 --> 01:22:13,620
I'm wonderful or whatever they don't

2004
01:22:17,450 --> 01:22:15,540
realize that they're giving up or

2005
01:22:19,490 --> 01:22:17,460
sacrificing their personal freedoms I

2006
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:19,500
thought that was a really good point you

2007
01:22:22,370 --> 01:22:21,330
made before we start recording that a

2008
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:22,380
lot of people are getting their

2009
01:22:26,930 --> 01:22:25,170
validation from status updates and

2010
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:26,940
having that phone on them all the time

2011
01:22:31,130 --> 01:22:29,130
in the social media aspect because there

2012
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:31,140
is a deficiency in the love area and

2013
01:22:36,110 --> 01:22:33,690
it's like a crying out for attention and

2014
01:22:37,790 --> 01:22:36,120
I see that so often you know just

2015
01:22:40,220 --> 01:22:37,800
telling people hey I'm eating a sandwich

2016
01:22:42,020 --> 01:22:40,230
today you know every everybody should

2017
01:22:43,190 --> 01:22:42,030
know that and it's really like

2018
01:22:44,660 --> 01:22:43,200
you don't really have anything to say

2019
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:44,670
but you're crying out for some type of

2020
01:22:49,070 --> 01:22:46,170
attention some type of validation

2021
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:49,080
because everybody is too busy to really

2022
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:50,730
love each other everybody's on their own

2023
01:22:54,020 --> 01:22:52,800
I'd say capitalism puts us in a

2024
01:22:56,390 --> 01:22:54,030
situation where it's every man for

2025
01:22:58,970 --> 01:22:56,400
themself makes it hard to work in teams

2026
01:23:00,650 --> 01:22:58,980
that are going to last a long time but

2027
01:23:02,900 --> 01:23:00,660
yeah I think there's definitely a love

2028
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:02,910
deficiency I think that's what you know

2029
01:23:07,070 --> 01:23:04,410
foster gamble talks about with the

2030
01:23:08,420 --> 01:23:07,080
Thrive movement he's here today yeah I

2031
01:23:10,430 --> 01:23:08,430
thought that was a great point that

2032
01:23:13,190 --> 01:23:10,440
deficiency is being made up with the

2033
01:23:16,130 --> 01:23:13,200
technology I would agree with you Greg

2034
01:23:18,490 --> 01:23:16,140
and when you think about here's a

2035
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:18,500
question that you can ask your listeners

2036
01:23:23,330 --> 01:23:21,210
and this should be a question in it when

2037
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:23,340
you meet a stranger you should not be

2038
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:25,920
afraid to ask so what major contribution

2039
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:28,410
have you made to society you think about

2040
01:23:33,410 --> 01:23:31,050
that's a real deep question because in

2041
01:23:36,410 --> 01:23:33,420
some regards people say why are you

2042
01:23:38,330 --> 01:23:36,420
asking me that well the answer is what

2043
01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:38,340
do you what value do you see in what

2044
01:23:42,830 --> 01:23:40,650
you've done how are you contributing to

2045
01:23:44,510 --> 01:23:42,840
make this a better place instead of just

2046
01:23:46,730 --> 01:23:44,520
taking which most people are there

2047
01:23:48,980 --> 01:23:46,740
takers there's very few givers or

2048
01:23:51,770 --> 01:23:48,990
they're contributing only to the success

2049
01:23:53,540 --> 01:23:51,780
of one corporation or one entity that

2050
01:23:56,420 --> 01:23:53,550
isn't really doing anything or in most

2051
01:23:58,790 --> 01:23:56,430
cases working against the interests of

2052
01:24:02,900 --> 01:23:58,800
the society as a whole what they do is

2053
01:24:06,590 --> 01:24:02,910
they trade their labor for money and

2054
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:06,600
money is driving people in most respects

2055
01:24:10,430 --> 01:24:08,970
if something in fact one of the courses

2056
01:24:11,870 --> 01:24:10,440
that i thought was called mastery and

2057
01:24:15,650 --> 01:24:11,880
one of the questions that we would ask

2058
01:24:17,450 --> 01:24:15,660
is what is your purpose i love you said

2059
01:24:18,620 --> 01:24:17,460
do i have to have a purpose no you don't

2060
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:18,630
have to have a purpose but the people

2061
01:24:22,850 --> 01:24:20,880
that can define their purpose clearly

2062
01:24:24,890 --> 01:24:22,860
and succinctly in st. two sentences and

2063
01:24:27,650 --> 01:24:24,900
can repeat it over and over the same

2064
01:24:30,500 --> 01:24:27,660
thing they're on focus my purpose and

2065
01:24:32,990 --> 01:24:30,510
has been for many years is to help and

2066
01:24:35,660 --> 01:24:33,000
educate people so that they become

2067
01:24:39,320 --> 01:24:35,670
empowered so they can teach other people

2068
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:39,330
through their own life's experiences how

2069
01:24:44,319 --> 01:24:42,050
to resolve problems or challenges

2070
01:24:47,770 --> 01:24:44,329
that's a worthy goal and it's good that

2071
01:24:49,530 --> 01:24:47,780
you found your your path I appreciate

2072
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:49,540
talking with you Peter it's been awesome

2073
01:24:54,100 --> 01:24:52,730
the listeners I'm sure enjoyed it wizard

2074
01:24:55,540 --> 01:24:54,110
do you have a website is there some

2075
01:24:57,939 --> 01:24:55,550
place people can check out your work

2076
01:24:59,950 --> 01:24:57,949
good but I had it hack so it's down now

2077
01:25:05,640 --> 01:24:59,960
I do have an email address you go

2078
01:25:11,049 --> 01:25:05,650
absolutely it's Peter pte are at the ghe

2079
01:25:13,660 --> 01:25:11,059
info i nfo wizard WIC ard dot net Peter

2080
01:25:14,979 --> 01:25:13,670
at the info wizard got net awesome well

2081
01:25:22,459 --> 01:25:14,989
thanks again man enjoy the rest of the

2082
01:25:29,899 --> 01:25:26,839
my what's happening people i'm here at

2083
01:25:32,569 --> 01:25:29,909
the conspiracy con 2013 standing at the

2084
01:25:34,819 --> 01:25:32,579
booth for programming the nation pretty

2085
01:25:37,310 --> 01:25:34,829
awesome movie about subliminal images in

2086
01:25:39,589 --> 01:25:37,320
the media and commercials and whatnot

2087
01:25:41,649 --> 01:25:39,599
i'm here with the writer producer and

2088
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:41,659
director of that movie jeff warwick and

2089
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:43,650
he's going to tell us a little bit about

2090
01:25:48,620 --> 01:25:45,449
it jeff how's it going man hey good Greg

2091
01:25:51,919 --> 01:25:48,630
how you doing and complain um so what's

2092
01:25:54,500 --> 01:25:51,929
uh what's the main message behind this

2093
01:25:56,359 --> 01:25:54,510
movie programming the nation well the

2094
01:25:57,739 --> 01:25:56,369
main message is that you know we're

2095
01:26:00,830 --> 01:25:57,749
controlled in a lot of ways that were

2096
01:26:03,250 --> 01:26:00,840
completely unaware of media has a very

2097
01:26:05,779 --> 01:26:03,260
pervasive effect on all of society and

2098
01:26:10,399 --> 01:26:05,789
so the goal is to control and keep

2099
01:26:13,729 --> 01:26:10,409
people in line and dumbed down and you

2100
01:26:14,719 --> 01:26:13,739
know uninformed and misinformed and the

2101
01:26:17,569 --> 01:26:14,729
film kind of covers a lot of those

2102
01:26:20,509 --> 01:26:17,579
things and how it happens for me to die

2103
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:20,519
making the film was really kind of a 911

2104
01:26:25,399 --> 01:26:23,010
i guess was a catalyst for it after nine

2105
01:26:28,219 --> 01:26:25,409
eleven i started becoming curious as to

2106
01:26:29,779 --> 01:26:28,229
a lot of things you know well what

2107
01:26:33,169 --> 01:26:29,789
happened on that day and with that event

2108
01:26:34,580 --> 01:26:33,179
specifically but also i started looking

2109
01:26:36,589 --> 01:26:34,590
at media in new ways i started looking

2110
01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:36,599
at how the media was beating the drum

2111
01:26:41,810 --> 01:26:40,320
for war in iraq and you know how they

2112
01:26:45,620 --> 01:26:41,820
were kind of juxtaposing images of

2113
01:26:47,899 --> 01:26:45,630
saddam hussein and 911 when 911 you know

2114
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:47,909
Saddam was never involved with terrorism

2115
01:26:52,299 --> 01:26:50,130
911 and that they never ever found

2116
01:26:55,100 --> 01:26:52,309
weapons of mass destruction there so

2117
01:26:56,750 --> 01:26:55,110
things like that kind of i looked at the

2118
01:26:58,819 --> 01:26:56,760
median why they were doing that and you

2119
01:27:01,790 --> 01:26:58,829
know I knew that with the war was going

2120
01:27:02,810 --> 01:27:01,800
to be inevitable and and since then all

2121
01:27:05,540 --> 01:27:02,820
we've been doing is finding this long

2122
01:27:09,319 --> 01:27:05,550
war on terror which is just a ploy to

2123
01:27:11,719 --> 01:27:09,329
keep people afraid and and in line and

2124
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:11,729
and and so the film con takes a look a

2125
01:27:17,540 --> 01:27:15,570
lot of these things I i try to it start

2126
01:27:18,770 --> 01:27:17,550
you know it uses it subliminal messaging

2127
01:27:20,209 --> 01:27:18,780
is kind of the narrative thread that

2128
01:27:22,750 --> 01:27:20,219
pieces it all together but we talk about

2129
01:27:24,589 --> 01:27:22,760
things like project harpin Alaska

2130
01:27:27,919 --> 01:27:24,599
psychological operations that are

2131
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:27,929
military industrial complex is using and

2132
01:27:33,290 --> 01:27:30,570
has used here at home similar to things

2133
01:27:34,540 --> 01:27:33,300
like project MKULTRA in the 60s and 70s

2134
01:27:38,560 --> 01:27:34,550
now they have

2135
01:27:42,399 --> 01:27:38,570
much more sophisticated ways of you know

2136
01:27:45,819 --> 01:27:42,409
programming the population and and also

2137
01:27:47,919 --> 01:27:45,829
you know as weaponry to when you think

2138
01:27:49,629 --> 01:27:47,929
about it and what they can do without

2139
01:27:51,810 --> 01:27:49,639
even having to shoot a bullet or launch

2140
01:27:53,830 --> 01:27:51,820
a mom or a missile or anything so

2141
01:27:55,390 --> 01:27:53,840
absolutely man I mean I've seen the

2142
01:27:57,160 --> 01:27:55,400
trailer here it's got a high production

2143
01:27:58,870 --> 01:27:57,170
value it's pretty awesome going through

2144
01:28:01,689 --> 01:27:58,880
some of the commercials and stuff seeing

2145
01:28:03,189 --> 01:28:01,699
the sex written in the ice and you know

2146
01:28:04,569 --> 01:28:03,199
the marketers aren't doing that for no

2147
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:04,579
reason you know there's obviously

2148
01:28:09,939 --> 01:28:07,010
something in our brains that is taking

2149
01:28:11,350 --> 01:28:09,949
that in that we're not aware of and it's

2150
01:28:13,569 --> 01:28:11,360
pretty cool to see all the examples

2151
01:28:14,950 --> 01:28:13,579
lined up like you have in the movie the

2152
01:28:18,010 --> 01:28:14,960
production quality is great are you

2153
01:28:20,950 --> 01:28:18,020
planning any anything any follow-up to

2154
01:28:23,020 --> 01:28:20,960
this one terms of a follow-up I mean I'm

2155
01:28:24,370 --> 01:28:23,030
not I'm not really engaged in current

2156
01:28:29,290 --> 01:28:24,380
projects but we are looking at doing a

2157
01:28:30,790 --> 01:28:29,300
second film on this and you know what's

2158
01:28:34,270 --> 01:28:30,800
funny is after finishing the film I kind

2159
01:28:35,740 --> 01:28:34,280
of realized how you know the what we

2160
01:28:37,899 --> 01:28:35,750
cover in the film is really just the tip

2161
01:28:40,299 --> 01:28:37,909
of the iceberg how there's so much more

2162
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:40,309
going on there's things like you know

2163
01:28:45,220 --> 01:28:42,290
government harassment and he's dropping

2164
01:28:48,339 --> 01:28:45,230
that is becoming more and more prevalent

2165
01:28:51,339 --> 01:28:48,349
particularly with people that are truth

2166
01:28:53,319 --> 01:28:51,349
seekers as well as a free press you know

2167
01:28:55,270 --> 01:28:53,329
they don't want the press to be free so

2168
01:28:56,770 --> 01:28:55,280
they want to monitor them they want to

2169
01:28:58,479 --> 01:28:56,780
follow them they want to harass them and

2170
01:29:01,839 --> 01:28:58,489
then use a lot of high-tech means to do

2171
01:29:04,390 --> 01:29:01,849
that so absolutely man that's awesome

2172
01:29:06,330 --> 01:29:04,400
and so just tell the people where is the

2173
01:29:08,890 --> 01:29:06,340
is the movie available online for free

2174
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:08,900
yeah it's available at programming the

2175
01:29:12,250 --> 01:29:11,090
nation com which is our website so you

2176
01:29:14,319 --> 01:29:12,260
can go there and check it out and

2177
01:29:16,359 --> 01:29:14,329
there's a play now button and you can

2178
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:16,369
watch the movie online awesome man

2179
01:29:24,910 --> 01:29:21,050
thanks a lot appreciate it where's mine

2180
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:27,299
with my

2181
01:29:32,439 --> 01:29:29,449
what's up folks were still here at the

2182
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:32,449
conspiracy con on the final few hours

2183
01:29:36,669 --> 01:29:34,250
i'm here with the man Big Daddy Ron

2184
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:36,679
patent he's the guy from paranoia the

2185
01:29:40,930 --> 01:29:38,570
publisher of paranoia magazine Ron how's

2186
01:29:42,910 --> 01:29:40,940
it going it's going quite well Greg how

2187
01:29:44,620 --> 01:29:42,920
are you I can't complain man it's been

2188
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:44,630
fun being neighbors with you through

2189
01:29:48,010 --> 01:29:46,010
this event how do you think this one

2190
01:29:52,540 --> 01:29:48,020
stacks up compared to previous

2191
01:29:54,370 --> 01:29:52,550
conspiracy cons well it's been pretty

2192
01:29:56,950 --> 01:29:54,380
good for the most part I mean it's a

2193
01:29:59,470 --> 01:29:56,960
different venue we were meeting at the

2194
01:30:02,200 --> 01:29:59,480
santa clara marriott since the

2195
01:30:04,029 --> 01:30:02,210
beginnings i think since 2000 so you

2196
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:04,039
know as a bit of an adjustment as far as

2197
01:30:07,899 --> 01:30:06,170
how the tables were set up but i think

2198
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:07,909
the crowd was still very enthusiastic

2199
01:30:12,549 --> 01:30:10,610
and i happen to be able to sell quite a

2200
01:30:14,740 --> 01:30:12,559
few books and magazines so i think it

2201
01:30:16,569 --> 01:30:14,750
went well for me in that respect right

2202
01:30:20,589 --> 01:30:16,579
that's the reason why we're here

2203
01:30:22,540 --> 01:30:20,599
primarily to pay the bills but it's a

2204
01:30:24,370 --> 01:30:22,550
bit of a trek for me and it's awesome

2205
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:24,380
that in a couple of months you're going

2206
01:30:29,260 --> 01:30:26,090
to have an event a little closer to home

2207
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:29,270
we're both from San Diego in conjunction

2208
01:30:34,810 --> 01:30:32,449
with conspire with a comic-con you're

2209
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:34,820
going to have the paranoiac on where our

2210
01:30:37,899 --> 01:30:36,650
buddy Adam go Riley is going to be

2211
01:30:40,209 --> 01:30:37,909
speaking as well as a couple other

2212
01:30:43,870 --> 01:30:40,219
people what else is going on there well

2213
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:43,880
it's going to be held july 19 20 and

2214
01:30:48,549 --> 01:30:46,610
21st and it's going to be very

2215
01:30:51,850 --> 01:30:48,559
reasonably priced twenty dollars a day

2216
01:30:54,220 --> 01:30:51,860
or fifty dollars for three days so you

2217
01:30:57,220 --> 01:30:54,230
really can't beat that as far as the

2218
01:30:59,770 --> 01:30:57,230
price is concerned but the quality of

2219
01:31:02,529 --> 01:30:59,780
speakers i think are exceptional we're

2220
01:31:04,750 --> 01:31:02,539
going to have John judge who is a

2221
01:31:07,830 --> 01:31:04,760
prolific writer about political

2222
01:31:10,299 --> 01:31:07,840
assassinations and then of course like a

2223
01:31:13,299 --> 01:31:10,309
Greg mentioned before Adam go right Lee

2224
01:31:15,819 --> 01:31:13,309
who is going to be the upcoming radio

2225
01:31:18,549 --> 01:31:15,829
host for paranoia magazine radio and

2226
01:31:21,459 --> 01:31:18,559
he's a very prolific writer for paranoia

2227
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:21,469
as well and written several really great

2228
01:31:28,330 --> 01:31:24,770
books and then we're going to have ken

2229
01:31:32,850 --> 01:31:28,340
thomas who's a conspiracy icon former

2230
01:31:36,220 --> 01:31:32,860
publisher of steam shovel press and then

2231
01:31:38,799 --> 01:31:36,230
we just have a new addition actually dr.

2232
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:38,809
lauren marais who is going to be talking

2233
01:31:44,410 --> 01:31:40,370
about fukushima

2234
01:31:47,980 --> 01:31:44,420
and the effects that it's had not just

2235
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:47,990
in the United States but worldwide and I

2236
01:31:53,260 --> 01:31:49,250
think that's going to be extremely

2237
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:53,270
intriguing and Andy Colvin will also be

2238
01:31:58,240 --> 01:31:54,890
there the Mothman known as a Mothman

2239
01:32:01,900 --> 01:31:58,250
photographer and researcher of anomalous

2240
01:32:04,060 --> 01:32:01,910
creatures and then Cynthia Hamill who's

2241
01:32:06,450 --> 01:32:04,070
from San Diego she's going to be talking

2242
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:06,460
about electronic harassment and

2243
01:32:13,740 --> 01:32:10,370
organized gang stalking and then a good

2244
01:32:17,140 --> 01:32:13,750
friend of mine marie d jones will be

2245
01:32:20,620 --> 01:32:17,150
discussing time travel and sort of

2246
01:32:23,110 --> 01:32:20,630
separating the fiction from the fact so

2247
01:32:25,150 --> 01:32:23,120
that's just a few speakers that we're

2248
01:32:28,810 --> 01:32:25,160
going to be having and again that's july

2249
01:32:32,370 --> 01:32:28,820
nineteen twenty and twenty first and you

2250
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:32,380
can check periodically at ww paranoia

2251
01:32:38,830 --> 01:32:37,010
con-com for updated information right on

2252
01:32:40,930 --> 01:32:38,840
run well alright people we're going to

2253
01:32:42,940 --> 01:32:40,940
get back to the tables have a couple

2254
01:32:45,310 --> 01:32:42,950
more beers try to get through the rest

2255
01:32:48,610 --> 01:32:45,320
of this day and take the long trek back

2256
01:32:51,010 --> 01:32:48,620
to sunny sandy alright man thanks for

2257
01:33:24,870 --> 01:32:51,020
talking to me it's a pleasure Craig all

2258
01:33:42,580 --> 01:33:31,080
where are my mind where are my mind